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03-20-91 Planning Commission MINCITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES March 20, 1991 - 8PM The meeting was called to order by Ing Roskaft, Chairman at 8PM. Roskaft asked for consideration of 3/6/91 minutes. Mark Wallace motioned to approve the minutes. Larry Fournier seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously. Members present were as follows: Mark Wallace Carl Swenson Larry Fournier Ing Roskaft Jim Kolles Kathy Lewis Staff present were Dave Licht, Elaine Beatty. Also present were Doug Lindenfelser, Council, Neil Goarder, John Bly and Jacquie Rognli. Next on the Agenda was the John Bly, Lola Sutherland variance which was returned to the P.C. from the City Council to look at drainage and utility easements. 9968 Kahler Ave, Monticello, Mn. Lot 11, Block 1 Island View Estates. a. Larry Fournier commented that the Council really wasn't sure what they wanted to do with this so they sent it back to the Planning Commission for more information. b. Licht mentioned the potential of Mr. Bly getting an easement from his neighbor. He wasn't able to obtain that easement. C. Mark Wallace stated as far as reasons we have looked over and find the following: 1. The property in question was physically limited in size and buildable area by a decision of the developer at the time of platting. Attempting to "expand" the lot at this point in time is inappropriate. 2. The house constructed by the developer/builder was placed and designed to accomodate only an over -sized two car garage. Other designs were possible which would have accommodated a larger garage at the time of initial construction. An attempt to modify the house design by yard encroachment is inappropriate at this date. 3. The present owner bought the property with the existing limitations. The price was likely, or should have been, reflective of this situation. 4. The existing garage is in fact, an oversized two car garage. 5. A three car garage is a convenience not a necessity. Reasonable and convenient use of the property and house can take place without the garage addition. d. Larry Fournier also stated the following: 6. The creation of a three foot side yard setback is an unacceptable situation based upon: A. Area character and open space. B. Need for possible utility & rear yard access. C. Infringement upon neighboring properities. 7. The precedent of relying upon a neighboring property CITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES OF 3-20-91 AT SPM - PAGE 2 - under different ownership is an unacceptable approach. The ,property which is usable as configured should be expected to stand on its own. If this case is granted, the possibility of numerous other cases which may request a similar consideration is seen as a major problem. Such action also unduly limits and causes possible future problems for the neighbor in their utilization of their land. S. The house is already non -conforming by 17 feet based upon Wild and Scenic River Corridor requirements. A further reduction of 10 feet is seen as out of character with the area and sets a highly questionable precedent for this protected area. A variance may damage the City's position on a change to the Wild and Scenic River Corridor District and place questions in the mind of the DNR and other such organizatoins on the City's commitment to this environmentally sensitive area. e. Carl Swenson stated the basic issue here is we have a violation of City Ordinances. It is looked on as a legal non -conforming use. He didn't think it was wise to go any further. 31 was from the footings and not the eaves so it is even closer, maybe 21 or 1-1/2'setback. He asked Roskaft if he thought the Council was asking for a more definate motion on this? Ing stated yes. f. Swenson motioned to recommend denial of the request for variance based on the above information. Jim Kolles seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously. (Will be brought up at the 3/25/91 Council meeting.) Roskaft then turned the meeting over to Dave Licht: 1. The Brisbin property on *122 & #37 ties into the question of lot size. The neighboring property owner has suggested that they buy the Brisbin site with the idea they could divide the portion on Co Rd #122 and attach the property to the West property. They would like two (2) two and one half acre parcels (2-1/2) fronting on #122. They would connect the rest of the land onto hte Lindenfelser/Barry property. Licht stated he has a problem with two lots connecting onto a major street (#122). This area is in the long range Urban Service Area. This area was also talked about as one of the areas for Industrial. Licht stated he thought the inital request was premature. Fournier asked what about splitting into two (2) five acre lots (5 A) Licht stated maybe we should be looking for ten acres (10 A) or maybe five (5 A). Fournier stated it was a little early. Realignment of #122 and #37 was also talked about and it needs to be realigned. 2. Mark Woolston, Antelope Park: Mark Woolston has submitted an application for Antelope Park which was formerly Deer Park. It had a preliminary hearing at Buffalo and nothing was approved. Licht stated what he suggested is that they resubmit a sketch plan where they can get staff comments. We had a Staff Meeting with Mr. Woolston and one of the things we suggested is that he run access to CITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES OF 3-20-91 AT 8PM - PAGE 3 - the Dennis Moore pie shaped piece of property adjacent to his, thru his plat. That will allow no direct access onto #39 from the Moore property. By providing access thru, it will relieve more traffic on #39. The Moore property is a smaller property with power lines on it. Mr. Woolston has property up into the blank area in the NW corner. This street will come up and make connection into Darkenwald's property. The balance of the land by the river is what the Co is looking to acquire for Park. The other thing he has to do is resubdivide some of the lots. Two other issues are the future alignments. First 96TH STREET: This future connection has been designated MSA and a collector street. It needs to be constructed to a higher standard. As this street is now shown it was designed to discourage traffic. The other problem we have is on the West side of the plan. The off -set street should be aligned with the street in Darkenwald's plat. Roskaft stated that it was to be aligned. If you wish to have this off -set, it needs to be further off -set (further away), as it is, it is not sufficient. Roskaft stated that the lots need to be changed also. Licht agreed. Roskaft stated if you make 96TH a collector street, have they researched to find out if they can get enough right-of-way? Licht answered a minor collector is 681 and a major collector is 801. It exists there today as a minor collecotr street. If, in fact, sidewalks are built it may eliminate problems. Wallace asked about sidewalks and which side they would be on. Light stated either side. The Co is trying to buy the Park land. Another thing we discussed is pedistrian ways into the park. We require it to be dedicated right-of-way for these. Fournier asked, on 96th Street, what happens if we get too much traffic? Licht answered 96TH Street is a collector street now and any comments the Planning Commission has to offer would be appreciated as he is looking for finalizing the design. Woolston has filed an Application, and if necessary you can have him submit two different proposals for it, if you want. He is wating for some direction. Swenson asked how important is that connection? It was designated MSA for the improvement of that street. You need to have it run from a State Aid Highway to another State Aid Highway. MSA does provide money for sidewalks. Swenson asked if an alternate would be to go over to #37 and tie into it? Lindenfelser said following a grid system is important. Another concern is MSA standard is not used on Darkenwald's Development. 96TH was only dead -ended to have it a thru- street eventually. Roskaft asked the Commission what they wanted to do? Fournier suggested lining up the jogs and tie it in. Maybe we should have Koshak's office address what should be done tc slow down the traffic on 96TH ST. Maybe we can give them a CITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES OF 3/20/91 AT SPM - PAGE 4 - resolution or solution. Licht said we need to converse. Roskaft asked again for a motion. Swenson motioned that on the alignment of 96TH where it enters Darkenwald's to recommend that the alignment be smooth and the Engineer be requested to recommend the location of stop signs to slow down the traffic. Lewis seconded the motion. The motion carried unanimously. Swenson had a question on the 96TH ST flow. Licht said it is MSA and needs to take the bend. Possibly it can have a much gentler curve. 96TH ST from Darkenwald's have to "T" into that. The question is do we "T" that intersection? Roskaft called for a motion. Lewis motioned that we recommend streets of 96TH and Ohalnd as MSA intersection and it be a continueous flow of movement with 96TH intersection 'IT -Ing" with Ohland intersection. Fournier seconed the motion. Motion carried unanimously. Next was Dave Licht and the Comprehensive Plan for Otsego - Policy Plan: 1. Pg 25 & 26 the Policy Plan is extremely critical. It allows flexibility. It is the fundamental plan of the City and it's importance cannot be stressed enough. 2. Pg 27 goals are stated in what we are striving to achieve. 3. Pg 29 #4. Develop controls that regulate Ag operations. Fournier asked if we need controls? Licht sated that DNR is going to come out with regulations of pesticides and fertilizers on shorelands. It is to address some controls in terms of environment. Fournier said we want to enforce the State and DNR regulations? Licht answered yes, this establishes the basis for control. It will be addressed later in Ordinances. As a City we have six months to get our floodplain regulations in order. 4. Pg 29 #1. Roskaft asked if you are drawing lines? This Policy says you will designate areas that are Urban and Rural. Licht said this plan has more guidelines and flexibility then the Co plan. 5. Pg 30 #11 In the inventory slopes and grades 12 to 18% are erodable or slippage type of soils. If you disturb the solis, you will have erosion. You have to show us as part of any development proposal as to where those soils are. You have to help control erosion in those areas. Basically you don't want development on a 12% slope, but you can modify it so you don't have such a steep slope. 6. Pg 30 #9. it is not Industrial area. DNR is concerned on water table. DNR won't drop water table. We go back and check with the inventory and put in what pertains to the specific Community. 7. Pg 33 #11 & #13 Appear to be contradictory. Licht explained physical barriers are major street. Whenever possible it should be reduced by paths, (trails). 8. Pg 33 #11 Industrial or Commercial against CITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES OF 3-20-91 AT 8PM - PAGE 5 - Residential, etc needs to be clarified. More intensive use will have to screen from the less intensive use. 8. #20. Roskaft said he agrees with and the sooner the bet -ter. Licht said #94 may be Industrial and maybe multi- family, but probably riot be sewered. We need to discuss some input to Industrial in #94 area, without sewer and water. 9. Pg 34 #22. Look at curvilinear design. 10. Pg 35 #33. Change possible to necessary. 11. Pg 35 #27 Incentives (what is it refering to?) Programs where banks will offer low interest loans, etc. Outdoor storage building will be addressed in Zoning. Can screening be used in areas of outside storage? sure. 12. Pg 36 #4. From "Animals" to "Farm Animals". Larry Fournier motioned to have the Planning Commission Chairman contact Bruce Rask and ask him if he should reconsider his committment to the Planning Commission and ask him if he can come to the 4TH of April meeting. Kathy Lewis seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously. Meeting adjourned at 10:30PM. JAMES R. KO�rtS, SECRETARY' By: Elaine Beatty Recording Secretary eb