05-15-91 Planning Commission MINCITY OF R PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES OF
MAY 15, 1991 AT 8PM
Ing Roskaft, Chair called the meeting to order at 8PM.
MEMBERS PRESENT WERE AS FOLLOWS:
MARK WALLACE CARL SWENSON LARRY FOU IR
ING ROSKAFT KATHY LEWIS JIM KOLLES
Bruce Rask was absent due to illness.
Council Members Ronald G Black and Norman F Freske were
also present.
Staff present were Robert Kirmis and Elaine Beatty.
Also present was David Chase.
The Minutes of May 1, 1991 were presented for
consideration. Larry Fournier motioned to approve the
minutes. Carl Swenson seconded the motion. Motion carried
unanimously.
CONTINUATION OF COMP PLAN REVIEW: (W/Bob Kirmis)
For the benefit of the Council Members present Kirmis
reviewed the lot sizes from the May 1, 1991 Planning
Commission meeting that were recommended.
* In the Rural area one per eighty (I per 80) density.
* In the Secondary Urban Service Area four for forty (4
per 40) density.
* In the Mississippi River Corodor from Co #39 North to
River, -two and one-half size lots (2-1/2) may be
allowed.
* In the immediate Urban Service Area one to two and one-
half acre lots may be permitted. (1 to 2-1/2)
(With sewer and water 10,000 to 12,000 sq ft.allowed)
Carl Swenson said that in the Ag (Rural) area the one
per eighty (I per 80) which he had made the motion on at the
May 1, 1991 meeting, he stated that some people had pointed
out to him that we are taking away something that was
existing. Swenson said the density of one per forty (I per
40) is not an objectionable density. By making the Rural Area
one per forty (I per 40) we won't be taking away something
that the County has had for some time. Roskaft stated the
proposed one per eighty (I per 80) was Dave Licht's idea.
Roskaft stated if you make it one per eighty now, you can
come back later and make it one per forty if you think it is
necessary. Roskaft said he can understand what Swenson is
getting at. Wright Co has one per forty. The farmers on the
West side should have the same as on the East side of Otsego.
Norman F Freske stated he has had a lot of calls and agrees
with Swenson. Fournier stated that our attempt in the Rural
Service Area was to discourage houses, but one per forty also
does.
CARL ININNOR motioned to change the recommended Rural
Service Area from one per eighty (I per 80) to one per forty
(I per 40). MARK WALLACE seconded the motion. Motion
carried unanimously.
Kirmis said at the last Planning Commission Meeting
there was some discussion about the appropriate Industrial
Area. The Planning Commission advised the #101 area for
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Industrial Area and 1-94 and #37 area for an Industrial Area.
#122 AND #37 intersection was discussed for lower end
Industrial Development. There are a lot of Home Extended
Businesses looking to get out and it has been brought up that
this area should be considered. The 1-94 area is very much
recommended, away from the urban core, rail access and large
amounts of outdoor storage, etc on #94 and #37. Roskaft said
that has been suggested by Licht and you have a a certain
amount of Residential in that area on #122 and #37 it would
be North of #122 and #37 East. #122 is now abolished and is
Co #37. #37 is now Otsego's (O'Dean Ave NE). The North side
is the only area proposed by Licht. There isn't that much
acreage there. We should look to see if we can find any
other area that might be available. Roskaft would like to
consider some other sites also. Kirmis had a Transportation
Plan on the screen to show the Planning Commission where are
roads are proposed. Ron Black suggested Sections #33 and #34
would be more appropriate on either side of Packard Avenue
and Packard also to Parsons. Black stated that it still
gives reasonable access to the freeway.. You would be
looking down on it instead of looking up. Section #29 where
Nashua runs there eventually, Roskaft feels would be a good
place for Industrial. Fournier said Section #36 Eastern
portion and North of our Southern boundary towards Dayton
we should look at. Fournier also mentioned that last week he
made a motion not to choose any more sites for Industrial and
it died, but it was a stalling tactic so we can have time -to
choose the correct sites. Wallace stated he agrees with
Section #29 which boarders on Ag areas and has a possibility
of sewer if we went to the East side of it for the low volume
Industrial. Swenson asked if we need a site inspection?
Black suggested looking at South of 65TH Street to the City
limits on either side of #101 to have Industrial. He feels
we need more Industrial and Commercial. Swenson said if we
have lots of areas, we don't get anything developed.
Discussion on the 1-94 and #37 Industrial Site was had.
Swenson said it was probably twenty to twenty-five years
away.
LARRY FOU IE motioned to table the decision on
Industrial Area until they have a Site Inspection of the
areas mentioned. Mark Wallace seconded the motion. (Kirmis
said he feels Larry Koshak should be included on the site
inspection.) Motion carried unanimously. It was noted that
this is the (third) Industrial Site Inspection. Roskaft
stated that he felt we shouldn't have Larry Koshak-along. It
should be just the Planning Commission. Ron Black suggested
that the Council look at the areas separately. Swenson
stated he felt it is better to have everyone go together
because you get everyone's comments. It was decided that the
Planning Commission will go together and the Council will go
on there own on the Site Inspection. A date was set for the
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Site Inspection for the Planning Commission, Monday the 20TH
of May at 4PM, 1991•
Roskaft asked how the Council felt about the two and one
half (2-1/2) acres North of #39 by the river? No problem was
stated.
Black asked if you have four per forty, and you have 38
acres can you only get three (3) lots? Swenson said yes. (Di
sussion was had on easements for roads and if they are
included in hte land amount? They are. Roskaft asked for
further discussion on proposed lot sizes. Jim Koller arrived
and was informed as to what has been done so for.
ON PAGE #77 KI IS STARTED WITH THE LAND USE PLAN:
Kirmis said it is the most important component of the Comp
Plan. The Basis is to organize the City in a functional
manner, lessen incompatability concerns and preserve the Ag
Land. Projected growth is a reiteration of numbers in the
inventory. From projected growth we can predict how big
these areas should be. It is anticipated the current rate of
growth will continue. Community Development will probably be
pumped up by Highway #101 development. We know there are
Home Occupations which are of Industrial character and would
be looking to relocate in an Industrial Area. Highway
corodor will profit from Industrial Development.
The proposed expansion of Otsego Park is projected to be
sufficent park space until the year 2000. It is important to
pick desired areas for Park space as develpment comes in.
LAND USE PLAN:
Is introduced to be used for a guide for development.
In terms of Rural uses, approximately 82% of the City is
Rural. It has been our objective all along to protect Ag
Land. Hobby farms we considered to be somewhat of a
transitional use between Ag land and Urban. Ron Black asked
what is a hobby farm? Ten Acres or so where there is land
for horses, etc. (not their source of income). Some
discussion was had on hobby farms and feed lots on ten (10)
acres.
Residential Uses are another element of the Land Use
Plan. The City is well organized in their uses of the
Residential Areas. Sewer connection is one goal and
infilling the immediate sewered area before moving out into
other neighborhoods. We now have single family only and as
City policy dictates, it's the best interest of the City to
have a variety (High Density).
Kirmis showed a re -subdivision teqnique map.
Commercial Uses to date have been limited due to lack of
sewer. Highway #101 will initate demand for Industrial and
Commercial from other areas.
PAGE #89 - Future Residential lots should not be less
than five acres (Change to one to two and one-half acres)
(I to 2-1/2).
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PAGE #95 - County #122 - (Change to Co #37).
Roskaft talked about future Municipal Hearing on #101
and future lights being taken out on #42. Roskaft said he is
against all the service drives, instead of direct access.
INDUSTRIAL USES -
Highway #101 between #39 and #42 as Industrial. (Because
of level ground, sewer designated and highly accessable). The
triangle #94 and #37 in the Southwestern part of the City and
the third site will be looked at.
THE ZONING AND SUBDIVISION ORDINANCE should reflect our
goals of Land Use Plan. Annexation was discussed. Roskaft
asked if the Commission had any comments on annexation. Norm
F Freske said some of the citizens of Otsego may want to be
part of Albertville, South of #37. Swenson said the
boundries should be fixed. Zoning is a tool to implement
Land Use Plan.
TRANSPORTATION PLAN -
Involves all modes of transportation. Intended to
identify a functional transportation plan. The City should
examine funding for upgrading and maintenance of it's
highways. Map of existing roads was shown and roads were
discussed. O'Dean recommended to be downgraded from a minor
arterial to a collector street status. #42 be designated as
a collector street also. Southern extension of Nashua was
discussed. 80TH, 83RD and 85TH are centrally located E/W
collector streets. They have jogs now. Ultimately they
should be smoothed out into a fluid route. Swenson said
Kadler South to the freeway is a dead end. Kahler and 101ST
in Island View Estates is not marked as a collector. 70TH
Street extension has been upgraded by MN/DOT and Cold Region
Project. Black said East to West you can't go across town.
E/W traffic has no future consideration. (an extension on
70TH street was discussed to make it a collector).
CUL -DU -SACS:
We need a City policy established (They present a
problem of access and emergency vehicle access. Kirmis
stated he would discourage cul -du -sacs and only place in odd
land configurations (make them long enough)
The railroad in the Southwest part of the City is the
only line and may be advantageous for future Industrial. Any
development in that area should be considered with
Albertville.
TRAIL SYSTEM PLAN:
We need to connect the activities in the City with
trails. #42 and #39 have wide shoulders (trails) and are
being used heavily. Bike trail extension from #39 down
Kadler and Nashua was discussed. The present bike trail on
#39 goes to Monticello. Wallace said we should have a trail
an Quaday with future VFW improvement for future activity
center. End of Kahler is activity center now it was stated.
There is bus service from Elk River for Sr Citizens
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transportation. Wright Co provides transportation thru-out
the County. May 22, 1991, will be the next Special
Planning Commission Meeting for Comp Plan only to finish up.
COMMUNITY FACILITIES:
Parks/Admin/Utilities/etc. The major issue is utilities
and noted ground water polution concerns. The City is
currently investigating sanitary sewer from Elk River.
Kirmis showed a concept plan of the sanitary sewer. The
major main would be on 85TH ST with two lift stations, one on
#101 and the other on 85TH ST W of O'Dean. Storm water
drainage is via natural ditches and recommends a
comprehensive look be -taken that identifies drainage basins
and channels. A similar plan would eliminate flood concerns.
PARKS AND RECREATION IS PART OF THE COMMUNITY FACILITIES
PLAN:
There is 55 acres proposed to be added to Otsego Park.
We need to identify future park areas.
Page #120 Park system plan was discussed. A survey of
it's residents as to what facilities they would like to see.
(The Park System should serve the needs of all the people).
Ing Roskaft noted they didn't mention golf courses. Kirmis
stated he felt they are a money making operation, not a Park.
Eleven acres of park area for every 1,000 people is how it is
figured. The golf course isn't considered park land, it's a
business. Some areas have golf, trails, tennis, etc in an
area said Ing.
The City Hall Building is a statement of Community and
we should have a nice one provided. Roskaft asked about
historical buildings. It's important to see the history of
buildings. Black asked about neighborhood parks. The Parks
Department should provide smaller scale parks for
neighborhoods. As Developers go, should we get land or fees?
It was discussed and, in our Sub -division Ordinance it states
we can have either. Kirmis brought up that at the next
meeting how we set up a neighborhood informal meeting should
be discussed. Licht will be here next week (the 22nd of May
the Planning Districts need to be completed). Fournier stated
the Council looked at both plans on Antelope Park and agreed
we should present both plans at the Hearing. Everyone liked
the plan extending 96TH Street through Mississippi Parkwood
to O'Dean best.
Mark Wallance motioned to adjourn the meeting. Carl
Swenson seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously.
JAMES R ffiJftS, SECRETARY
BY: Elaine Beatty, Recording Secretary