08-28-91 Planning Commission MINCITY OF OTSEGO SPECIAL PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF 8/28/91
AT 8PM TO WORK ON ZONING ORDINANCES:
The meeting was called to order at 8:10PM by Chairman Ing
Ros kaft .
Members present were as follows:
MARK WALLACE BRUCE RASK CARL SWENSON
LARRY FOURNIER ING ROSKAFT JIM KOLLES
KATHY LEWIS
Mark Wallace indicated that he will be unable to make the
September 4, 1991 Planning Commission Meeting.
Council Members Present:
RON BLACK FLOYD RODEN
Staff present:
DAVE LICHT ELAINE BEATTY
Swenson motioned to approve the 8/7/91 minutes. Bruce Rask
seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously.
Larry Fournier Motioned to approve 8/14/91 minutes. Mark
Wallace seconded the motion. Motion Carried Unanimously.
VFW -- Information discussed with VFW on their property on
101 and Ouaday & 72ND.
Licht said the basic issue is the recreation area was
approved by the City some time ago, included a Community
Center. What has happened is that the VFW as a Club is
looking for a home site as well, and there was some thought
to having some facilities within the recreation building.
The West side of the property is planned for Club or Lodge
facility within that area. We have found that Clubs or
Lodges are characteristly found in Commercial areas. VFW is
suggesting a Friday or Saturday night dinner, etc. We need
to have a definition for Community Center. Where to located
it and if a separate and distinct area. A number of
Communities have a special Zoning designation which is Public
or Semi -Public type of uses. Licht said that is the
background.
VFW spoke: Financially, we are not set to move too far now.
We had three phases on our plan, #1 was level land and
parking lot. Now we've decided to put the Community Center
on the lower level if we can. If State Gambling goes, we
would like to have another way to make money. We would have
our office and meetings there. We have offered an office to
the Park and Recs Committee, Boy Scouts, FFA, etc. They all
could have meetings there. POW/MIA dinners/Veterans Day
dinners we have once a year. Also membership dinner, etc.
We would like to know if we could have that in the building
or do we have to have a separate building? We originally
planned on putting our post -home facing 101. 40x60 is the
} building size we are looking at with 60x80 roof -overhand so
they can have shelter if it rains. A small 12X16 or so for
storage. Electric and plumber said have all the pumps and
electric in a building w/10x10 storage. Four soccer fields
temporarily would be just leveled and seeded. 193 parking
spaces, septic/pumps 3 - 4" wells were suggested for now and
�y
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spaces, septic/pumps 3 -- 4" wells were suggested for now and
the future (by McAlpines well drillers). Mr Nichols asked if
the parking lot could have Class 5 for the time being? The
main question is can we have.fundraisers in this building?
Long term, another facility on #101 will be built. Now, the
key is what can be done in the building now? They sell pull
tabs at bowling alley in Elk River now. They would like
their own building. They have 211 members now. They have
steady growth. They passed around a site plan. Changes were
made on the parking lot as had been suggested by the City.
The building is designed to be used by any organization,
Lions, Jaycees, etc. Brick front building to face the road
with steel siding was discussed. Licht brought up that all
sides of the building be equally faced and improved. The
building has good quality and a lot of variations with a
39x40 assembly room. 2400 square feet size of the building
total floor area VFW said.
Fournier asked if N of 42 on the Comp Plan, what do we
have designated? Short term housing was the answer.
Interim use is a positive for sports complex Licht said. If
you would consider the lodge, you can zone it in as Public
Use. Whatever the Planning Commission feels comfortable
with. Wallace asked what the Alanon building is zoned as?
Roskaft answered it is a Conditional Use Permit. The VFW is
structured as a Non-profit origination. Rask said he doesn't
see what would be more traffic, softball, or a fish fry, and
it is close to Darkenwald's zoned hi --density housing. Where
there is a question in other Cities, they zone it Public or
Semi -Public. The main thrust is for a Non-profit
origination. If it's the only zone you can have
Churches/Public Facilities/Schools, it becomes cumbersome.
We will include churches, and schools in the residential
areas. A zoning district you have more power in terms of
zoning. Wallace asked about a PUD zoning in that area?
Licht said the point is a PUD has to be there as a highly
unique situation. If you use it constantly, it shows you
need to change the regulations. VFW is not a unique
origination. There is enough around. What we need to do is
set the standard so everyone knows what the rules are.
VFW said they were involved in Brooklyn Park VFW and
they gave them a special zoning (public) with the stipulation
that if VFW gave up property or sold it, it automatically
went back to the original zoning. Licht said he didn't know
if that was legal. Cond Use as part of residential or public
would work. Right now for a few years, a community center
and sports complex would be the only thing we would put in
now. One at Orono the youth got pushed out of it. VFW
sports facility is for the youth. Three Rivers Soccer
Association and VFW has a State Soccer Tournament. Larry
Fournier said if we can come up with Public Zoning he can
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favor it. Roskaft said he didn't have a problem with it
either. Swenson asked if the intention was to apply this to
existing churches? Roskaft said residential area for
churches. Swenson asked if you allow exceptions for churches
and schools or do you put them all together? Commercial is
prime real estate and why we don't Put churches in these
areas. The Public Zone allows you to create a Public Zone or
Spot Zone that is acceptable said Licht.
Roden said we have church in a prime Commercial area and
Roskaft said the Baptist Church property is in the Commercial
area. Roden wanted to know what the VFW would have on the
rest of their site? Roskaft said in 25 years or so, someone
may come along and buy them out. Indication was that all of
the Planning Commission agreed that they feel comfortable'
with Public Zoning for the VFW property and use for
fundraisers in the community center. Three Council Members
were at the meeting and agreed that they didn't need to go
before the Council with this and Roden said he had talked to
Lindenfelser on this and he seemed in agreement. Rask asked
if it is OK on Class 5 driveway to let them have it now?
} Licht said we need to look at it. (to be decided later) Roden
said that road improvement could be put in the 5 year plan
for MSA (maybe 2 or 3 years). Licht brought up that Kathy
Lewis raised a concern of identification of the third
Industrial Area. He suggested that the Planning Commission
put together a committee of three people as a sub -committee
to look into it. We have one individual that is looking for
an area. It is for benefit of the Home Extended Businesses.
Roskaft said they did look and talk to people on the
Industrial Area. Licht asked who is interested and where
should it go? We need to finalize it. Rask volunteered for
the sub --committee. How do we proceed Licht asked? The
Committee needs to meet and discuss preferred locations (good
access/not a lot of residential/brainstorm/ do a visual look
at/flat land is best. Pick two or three areas and make
contact with owners. I assume that the committee would come
up with one or two residents to communicate with the Council
eventually. Fournier said the workshop meetings should be
kept to work meetings. Licht said it is hard to do that with
so much going on. You can't expect people to wait two or
three months to resolve their questions. Roskaft said he
would appoint and serve on the sub --committee. Maybe we
should have one Council Member said Swenson. Swenson asked
can we discuss this proposed schedule? Swenson said he feels
we can not schedule every single Wednesday night for two
months. We need to be more efficient with our time. We need
to discuss it. Fournier said he is in favor of that many
meetings. Wallace said if they were from 8 to 11 or 7 to 10
in the evening maybe that would work. Licht said what he
suggested is a highly aggressive schedule. I think the
number of
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meetings is a reasonable expectation if you are going to
address other items as well. We have 90% of our Ordinance
ready to go now. Licht said he is more concerned about an
Ordinance than a Camp Plan. We don't have an up to date
Urban Ordinance now. We are starting from scratch.
Fournier said he is hearing from the Council they want
us to get busy. Lewis said she feels if we get to it and get
it done, subsequent meetings will be less. Roskaft said he
wanted to have a Moratorium and feels all these items are
coming in plugging up the schedule.
The committee for choosing a third Industrial Area Site is as
follows:
Ing Roskaft
Bruce Rask
Kathy Lewis, Chair
Ron Black, Council Rep
Time and dates will be decided later.
COMP PLAN=
Based on the Council Meeting discussion, Licht said he
was asked if Riverwood was addressed in the Comp Plan. We
have put together a statement on Riverwood Conference Center
Second, following the formal discussion of Council
Monday evening, Licht said he needs clarification. Floyd
Goenner was concerned if he has a farm operation with hogs,
there should be a buffer from the Secondary Urban Sewer Area
and Ag. Licht said his position is that there is protection
for established farm operations. It needs to be clarified.
The Council did not take action, but delayed action until
9/23/91 Council Meeting. Issue is Highway #101 and we are
directed to remove all reference to freeway status in twenty
years.
The schedule for extra meetings is accepted by the
majority of the Planning Commission. Roskaft said we should
try to hold off Hearings until after the Ordinances are
finished.
ORDINANCES:
Licht brought up memo on June 13, 1991 Re= ZONING ORD
REVISION. The Commission talked about lot sizes in the Rural
Area. (150' minimum frontage lot size) was agreed to. Licht
said he would proceed with that direction. Minimum one acre
lot was agreed to with no maximum. Licht said that when we
are done with this Ordinance a lot of people will be denied
E things tomorrow that they have today. He brought up denial
of large accessory buildings in the Urban Area. Long Range
Urban Service Area four per forty Licht asked for direction
on how to break it up? Discussion was had by all of the
Planning Commission Members. Licht said he is looking for a
minimum acreage. Minimum of one acre was decided on.
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(no maximum) in the 4 per 40 area.
Next, was Commercial and Industrial building standards
and lot sizes: Licht said the higher the standards, the less
development, but higher quality. Most communities have
regulations not allowing tin roofs and at least 50% metal
siding covered all around the building. Ron Black would like
to see standards for #101 comparable to Carlson Industrial
Park or Eden Praire and slightly less in other Industrial
areas. You have to get down to materials. General agreement
with Ron on this from the Commission. On signs, No Billboard
Signs. You have to allow a reasonable identification.
Concurrence by Commission as to a minimum amount of signs.
3,4,5,6 are in existence.
1st Sec 1-4 Licht said is boiler plate material -- It is
important and sets forth criteria. Pg 3, Cond Use prior
recognized any change. Pg 2, 2-5 If there is a use not
identified, it is considered prohibited. Pg 2 - Item C
Third line reconstructed (,) Licht said not yet edited.
Sec 2, Pg 5 -- A lot of wording comes from Legislation or
court cases. Fairly major section dealing with adult uses.
Supreme court says you have to provide areas for these types
of businesses. A lot of adults uses can be fronts for drug
money Licht said.
DNR definitions are in the document. Defined signs and
it will be updated and charges as we go along Sec 7 -- Page 71
Cert of occupancy -- You need to get two, one for Zoning and
one for Building. Pg 77 - Non Conforming Use
Meeting adjourned at 10:30PM
aA R. KOLLES, SEC ETARY
ELAINE BEATTY, RECORDING SECRETARY
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MEMORANDUM
Otsego Planning Commission
JM: David Licht
13 June 1991 N
ATE: FA
RE: Otsego - Zoning Ordinance Revision C
(612) 925-9420
FILE NO.. 176.08 FAX (612) 925-27211
We are proceeding with the draft of the new City Zoning Regulations.
In this regard, we have encountered a number of issues which are basic
to the Ordinance, but on which we are uncertain as to the directions
which City officials want to take. As a consequence, we are requesting
a discussion at your 19 June 1991 meeting of the following items:
1. Animals in urban areas — Ra 1-7-
2. Signs
3. Accessory buildings
A. Urban areas
B. Hobby farms
C. Long range urban service area �-
4. Car/truck parking urban service areas _ ,)/I
5. Home extended businesses
Lot size standards - rural service area- and long range urban
service area > �,�, / ci�c�,_e Xw 1 d� A^AK
Commercial and industrial building standardl"s/f%t sizes
8. Site improvement standardsv
By the time of the me ing we may /have additionalitems.
We should note our hope to also have City Council members in attendance
so as to gain their critical insights on these matters as well.
cc: Mayor and City Council
Jerome Perrault
Elaine Beatty
William Radzwill
Larry Koshak
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RE:
MEMORANDUM
Planninq Commission
19 Auqust 1991
FILE NO.: 1
seqo - Zoninq Ordinance
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( 612) 595-9636
FAX (612) 595-9837
Per the City Council's request to outline a time schedule for the finalization
of the Zoning Ordinance, our office has formulated a tentative calendar of
meetings and topics. As a number of special meetings are involved, this schedule
should be considered preliminary pending your review and discussion of the matter.
This suggested meeting/topic outline will hopefully, however, provide a basis for
establishing an acceptable time framework. Moreover, the outline will provide an
indication of the scope and coverage of what is involved.
28 August Special Meeting: Discuss remaining issues plus review
administrative material already distributed.
4 September Regular Meeting: Begin discussion of general provisions section.
11 September Special Meeting: Continued discussion of general provisions
section.
18 September Regular Meeting: Finalize discussion of general provisions
and start review of zoning districts.
25 September Special Meeting: Continue and finalize discussion of zoning
districts.
2 October Regular Meeting: Review of zoning map.
9 October Special Meeting: Public information session (Elk River
High School?)
16 October Regular Meeting: Official public hearing on zoning ordinance
text and map and recommendation to City Council.
City Council:
28 October Regular Meeting: adoption of regulations.
We fully recognize that this is a highly aggressive time schedule. We believe,
however, that work can be accomplished within the context of these limits. Moreover,
the faster the ordinance can be completed, the more efficiently and smoothly the
day-to-day work of the Council, Commission and staff will become.
Hopefully this schedule can be briefly discussed following the Comprehensive Plan
public hearing on Wednesday evening.
cc: Mayor and Council William Radzwill
Jerome Perrault Larry Koshak
Elaine Beatty Jacquie Rognli
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