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10-02-91 Planning Commission MINCITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES OF 10-2-91 AT 8PM - PAGE 1 - Roskaft called the meeting to order at 8:05PM. First item was consideration of minutes of 9/25/91. Swenson motioned to adopt the minutes with a change on the 1st page, fifth paragraph to read "and consider the information when we adopt the Ordinance" instead of "set on it". Lewis seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously. Tom Nichols of the VFW to discuss the building on their property on Quaday and 72ND St NE: Nichols brought plans and showed exact location of the Sports Complex Building and Maintenance Building. He stated that the maintenance building would have the main electricity and the pumps and would be 24'x24'in size. He also stated that the Sports Complex Building will be finished inside by the VFW work force but the contractor will put the building up for them. He stated that they are proposing a brick front three or four feet in height in the front with the rest of the building being colored steel (green & white) and the front doors beige. The smaller maintenance building will match the Sports Complex Building in color. The roof on the Sports Complex Building is 60'x88' and inside under the eves will be all enclosed with a cement patio under it. They want to start with four soccer fields as they are needed and they are more reasonable to build. Roskaft stated he would like to have the Council Members look at the plans. (Black & Roden) There was some discussion on buildings and four sides being the same finish, brick, stucco, etc, but not just metal. Both buildings are planned to be metal said Nichols. Kirmis stated that we had in the past just discussed the finishes on buildings and the Planning Commission needed to decide. Public Zone was discussed and it was noted that the Planning Commission had agreed to have the VFW property in a Public Zone. Swenson stated we are attempting to update the Industrial Zone and if this building is put in a Public Zone it may or may not be allowed. Kirmis stated maybe we should discourage a "pole barn" type of building. Roskaft said some pole buildings are a lot better then some custom buildings. Nichols stated they were considering a steel building with steel beams. It was brought up that Licht had talked about requiring shingled roofs. Nichols said that maybe they can level the land and put in the soccer fields and maintenance shed out of lumber and build the Sports Complex Building later. He said the Soccer Association needs fields bad. A 24'X24' wood siding building for maintenance and a pole light and a Class 5 gravel parking lot to begin with was talked about. Roskaft asked for determination by Planning and Zoning on this matter. CITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES OF 10-2-91 SPM - PAGE 2 - Rask asked if they could check into a pale shed construction with finished outside and roof? They would like to get a Community Center going Nichols stated. Black said they need to make sure the building is not metal finished, but some other material. It cannot be a tin (metal) skinned building without it being covered up. Lewis motioned to approve the concept of a Community Center Storage Building providing that it not be metal roofed or metal sided visibly. Wallace seconded the motion. Swenson said we are talking about steel, but will not be happy with the rolled roof either. The above motion was changed from tin to metal per Wallace's suggestion and Lewis agreeing to it. Motion carried unanimously_ Roskaft brought the Zoning Ordinance starting with Page 65 was next on the agenda. It was turned over to Kirmis. SECTION 30 - addresses Daycare Nursery Facilities and Kirmis stated that a daycare with twelve or less children must be a permitted use in a residential area under State Statutes. The Ordinance treats them as Home Occupations where a permit would be required and they can address parking. This addresses commercial daycare facilities that are run as a business and addresses all the requirements. It is quite basic, said Kirmis. There has not been a lot of controversy on this. Commercial uses for daycare are Conditional Uses and need approval from the City. Pg 66 - F - LOADING: Change "parking" to "loading". Roskaft asked if daycare centers are allowed in a residential area? Up to twelve people allowed as an accessory use as Home Occupation. If you have a principal use daycare center it would be allowed in all districts, subject to Conditional Use Permit. Roskaft stated it bothers him. Kirmis said it is part of the Conditional Use process. Swenson stated he doesn't understand the difference. The Ordinance addresses it. Swenson asked can they preclude it in a residential area? Kirmis stated what we have is what has been done in other Cities. We are saying if you have fifteen children you can process it as a Conditional Use Permit. Kirmis stated maybe it should be principal use daycare center. Wallace said it is still a business. Roskaft added if you get a commercial type daycare center it should be in a commercial area. Fournier agreed. You need a special use and special treatment all around said Roskaft. Kirmis stated another thing to consider is we will have multiple family residential also, if it makes a difference. Black stated the thing to keep in mind is you can have CITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES OF 10-1-91 AT 8PM - PAGE 3 - different kinds of commercial. It was decided for the larger scale daycare centers they should be in the commercial areas. SECTION 31 Adult Uses= Kirmis gave us background the first amendment provides for "freedom of speech" a City will provide a typical 5% of land use for adult uses. The City has power to regulate where they want them in their City. You must be 600' from any where a minor may be present or those areas where there are residences, etc. Roskaft asked why 600' is used? Kirmis said both Mpls and St Paul who have a lot of adult uses use this figure and it is considered the standard. The number of feet was discussed. Wallace asked if 600' is for principal adult use? Kirmis said yes. Kirmis said the City will be prepared for it when it comes. Wallace asked what's the difference between a viewing booth for videos and the video adult section? Kirmis said that magazine section can be in the view of minors, etc. Discussion was had on adult information and what can be allowed. P9 70 - #3: Change include to "included" Rask said he thinks it should be in the third Industrial District. It was brought up that Elk River put a moratorium on adult uses until they could get an Ordinance in place. ESSENTIAL SERVICE - was adopted as part of the Jones Intercable request Kirmis noted. Sec 33 - COMMUNICATION, RECEIPT, TRANSPORTATION DEVICES: Kirmis explained standards and alike treatment. if the use goes beyond what is in the Ordinance, it will be processed as a Cond. Use Permit. Pg 75 - C: ROOFS - Discussion was had on the mounting and 6-1/2'. Swenson said it would be more clear if it said the base of the dish be 6-1/2'. Kirmis said we are talking about distance, and peak of the roof. Possible Gond Uses was discussed. Kirmis said 6µ1/2' is used as above the peak of the roof. Black said he assumes below 6-1/2' it would probably not work. Kirmis said the information comes from FCC. SEC 34 - WIND ENERGY CONVERSION SYSTEMS (WECS) The above was discussed and Kirmis went thru the Ordinance and what is there. Discussion was had on wind generators and if they should be in residential areas. Pg 77 20-34-2: Application The paragraph should end after section. Delete " provided the property upon which the system is to be located is Ag, Commercial or Ind. or is constructed and maintained on any parcel of land of at least five acres in size." SECTION 35 - Interim Uses: Kirmis said it is a new concept based on legislative CITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES OF 10-2-91 AT SPM - PAGE 4 - action that allows you to put a time permit on Cond. Uses Kirmis explained. Sec 36 - PUD Kirmis noted that this is already in place as part of the Riverwood Conference proposal. Kirmis asked for recommendations on wild and exotic animals in the City (dangerous). Roskaft asked Black and Roden about 1500 sq ft for garages and how they felt? Both agreed and said they would like nice looking buildings and get everything inside. Much discussion was had on size of storage buildings. Roskaft said 1500 square feet, not including attached garages is what he would like to see. Roskaft stated that the Planning Commission had decided that we would not have regular Planning Commission Business on work meetings. We have a request from John LeFebvre to put a mobile home for a family who is going to live there to take care of him and he would like this request heard earlier than November 6, 1991. What is the Planning Commission's feelings on this? Lewis motioned to hear it on the regularly scheduled meeting which is November 6, 1991 at 8PM. Swenson seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously. Signs on 10-9-91 is where we will start and the sign companies and people have been noticed to be at this meeting. On wild and exotic animals, Rask felt we should not allow, as did Roskaft. Swenson, Lewis, Fournier, and Wallace liked the Conditional Use Permit way of handling this subject. Black said we shouldn't allow them as it is a big problem. Wallace motioned to have exotic animals considered under a Cond Use Permit with consideration of size of lot considered in it and the condition of a kennel and what kind considered. Swenson seconded the motion. Wallace, Swenson, Fournier and Lewis voted yes with Rask and Roskaft voting no. NAC will put something together on this. Lewis stated that on behalf of the Industrial Site Selection Committee she motioned to recommend 70TH ST and the future extension of Nashua Ave as the 3RD Industrial Site in the City. Wallace seconded the motion. Fournier asked why not site "B"? Answer was because it is outside of the Long Range Service Area and the other reasons as noted in NAC's Report. Lewis motioned to adjourn the meeting. Fournier talked about Site Inspections and that the City Council has agreed with inspections, but said that we should have a set date to avoid violating the open meeting law. CITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES OF 10-2-91 AT 8PM - PAGE 5 They will reimburse for the site inspections. He suggested setting one or two days a month as a Site Inspection Day/Days. It was decided everyone would think about it and it will be decided on at the next meeting. It also was decided that Elaine Beatty will send out a typewritten Planning Commission Hearing Schedule as to upcoming Hearings. Larry Fournier seconded the adjournment motion. Motion carried unanimously. Meeting adjourned at 10:30PM. JAMS P KOLLES, SECRETAR Minutes by Elaine Beatty, Recording Secretary EB