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11-06-91 Planning Commission MINCITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF 11/6/91 AT 8PM - PAGE 1 - MINUTES Chairman Roskaft called the meeting to order at 8:05PM. Members present were as follows: LARRY FOURNIER JIM KOLLES ING ROSKAFT MARK WALLACE BRUCE RASK CARL SWENSON KATHY LEWIS Staff present: Robert Kirmis Elaine Beatty Judy Hudson Lewis motioned to approve the Minutes of October 30, 1991 Planning Commission. Wallace seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously. JOHN LE FEBVRE - PID #118-500-221300 8585 Parrish Ave, Otsego MN - Sec 22, Twp 121, R23 Unplatted and NW, SE & SW NE EXC S 2 RDS NW SE. Hearing to request a Mobile Home for farm use as allowed in Sec 604.4 Conditional Use of Gen Ag Land. Mobile Homes are allowed as accessory to farm operations, Provided that there is a full time employee essential to the farm. Caretaking for the farm manager, mobile home is what is being asked for. A case can be made both to support and in opposition of this farm mobile home. Kirmis went over some of NAC's Report of October 7, 1991 File #'s 176.02 - 91.20. this as a policy matter said Kirmis and it needs to be determined by the Planning Commission. If approved, six conditions must be met which are as follows: 1. A site plan is submitted to provide an assurance that the accessory mobile home meets applicable A-2 Performance standards. 2. The proposed mobile home utilizes an existing access to the applicant's property. This issue should be subject to comment by the Wright County Highway Department and City Engineer. 3. The subject proposal is subject to comment by the City Engineer in regard to sewage treatment and drainage. 4. The applicant submit verification/documentation, on a yearly basis, from a qualified doctor that full time care is necessary for him to conduct his farm operations. 5. If the supervisory need for the mobile home occupant is terminated, either the occupant must assume full time employment with the farm which is essential to the farm's operation or the mobile home must be removed from the premises within 90 days. 6. Comments by other City Staff. Kirmis said again, this is a policy matter and you should consider the precedent issue. Roskaft asked for any other comments. There was not a representative for John LeFebvre at the Hearing, nor was John LeFebvre present. Lewis said in the report it stated that other requests had been denied. She asked if they had been on farm land? Beatty answered they were in a platted area "Halls Addition". Roskaft said a sister was allowed to have a mobile home CITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF 1f/*g/91 AT 8PM - PAGE 2 - MINUTES on the farm to supervise two bays left on the farm in Otsego. The County had allowed a mobile home. Roskaft said that was a similar situation. Wallace asked if Mr LeFebvre was the supervisor of the farm operation? Roskaft answered, yes. Swenson asked for actual wording of the Ordinance. Kirmis read it from NAC's Report. Roskaft said this woman is there to take care of Jahn LeFebvre and is subject to his call and it is up to the Planning Commission to make the call. Kolles stated he has dairy and beef cattle and in High School he lived next door to John LeFebvre and contacted this disease and he needs help as he can hardly feed himself. LeFebvre takes care of the cattle, cropping and farming land said Kolles. Lewis asked if the City can enforce the six conditions in NAC's Report? Both Kolles and Roskaft answered it can be enforced. Rask motioned to accept the requested use providing the six conditions herein can be met. Wallace seconded the motion. Fournier asked haw this will impact other decisions that come before us? Kirmis said it is an obvious indirect situation and will impact as it is a precedent as she is obviously not directly farming. It is indirect. This could be used to effect someone who needed a driver, cook, etc for farm operation. Wallace asked if maybe we should add to the motion the fact that John LeFebvre can not manage the farm without help? Rask said the wording says without this help this farming operation will cease. This is pertaining to a farm operation in the immediate development area. we wouldn't allow a home extended business. Rask said to add to his motion: " This person is there to help manage the farm to allow it to exist in his present physical condition ". Rask motioned to allow the Farm Use mobile home for John LeFebvre because this person is there to help manage the farm to allow it to exist in his present physical condition. Wallace seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously. Will be added to Council Agenda of November 12, 1991 at 7=30PM. MARK WOOLSTON - ANTELOPE PARK - PID#118-500-164191 and 118-500-164404 & 117-500-164100 SEC 16, TWP 121, R23 Hearing is request for a Subdivision of this land known as Antelope Park. The preliminary plat will be considered at this Hearing (See NAC's Report). This land is North of County Rd ##39 and West of Mississippi Shores STH Addition. Kirmis explained the plat from NAC's Report. This report references the plan that is hanging in front of you CITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF 11-6-91 8PM - PAGE 3 - said Kirmis. There is a planned 43 lots with potential for subdivision to 93 lots. Kirmis showed the plat. This plat has had some opposition to 96TH Street running thru the plat. Thirteen conditions have to be met. NAC recommends approval with these conditions: 1. Lot arrangement and accessibility along the proposed collector street (Ohland/96TH Street) extension should be minimized. Driveways which directly access the Ohland/96TH Street extension shall be required to include a turn around to eliminate the backing of vehicles onto the collector route. 2. The proposed Ohland/96TH Street collector extension should be changed to reflect the required 80 foot right-of-way width. Likewise, the 94TH Street right-of-way should be reduced to a 60 foot width. 3. Ninety -Sixth Street, as it enters the site from the east and turns southward, should be shown as a fluid curve with a 300 foot minimum radius as stated by the City Engineer in his memo dated October 14, 1991. 4. Increase the distance between the 91ST Street and 92nd Street (connection from the east) intersections to provide for the required 300 foot spacing between access points along Ohland Avenue. S. The City Engineer provided recommendation on the naming of the subdivision's contained streets. 6. Maintain a two acre minimum lot size on Lot 1, Block 1 to meet wild and Scenic District requirements. Future resubdivision of this lot, as shown, will not be possible. 7. A grading and drainage plan is submitted which is prepared by a registered engineer. Per the City Engineer's recommendation, the said plan should represent an ultimate development scenario. 8. If a revised plat submission is to illustrate a street partially within the United Power Association easement, written permission should be received from the easement holder prior to final plat approval. 9. An easement be included over the south portion of Lot 3, Block 8 to allow for future access from Ohland Avenue to the Burdick property which lies to the southeast of the subject subdivision. 10. The easternmost trail easement which extends from 94TH Street to the north be moved to the plat's eastern boundary adjacent to Lot 3, Block 10 and the neighboring subdivision where the topography is less severe, and where connection can be made to the sidewalks proposed along Ohland Avenue. The Parks and Recreation Advisory Committee should make comment as to whether the dedication requirements and whether a supplemental cash contribution will also be required. 11. The 92nd Street cul-de-sac which provides access to the trianglar shaped Moore Property to the West be changed to terminate directly abutting the plat boundary and no curb cut CITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF 11-6-91 AT 8PM - PAGE 4 - be shown for extension of a public roadway. 12. The developer enter into a development agreement with the City. 13. Any other comments from City Staff and City Engineer's memo dated 14 October 1991. Kirmis went over the above thirteen items. He then showed everyone the new plat map which had been revised as of 11--16-91. He traced the MSA route on the map at Fournier's request. Wallace asked about the sidewalks and if they would go into Mississippi Shores addition. Kirmis said he didn't know when. The curve does not allow a lot of speed to build up on 96th street said Kirmis. The speed limit would be 30 or 35 MPH. Roskaft asked if anyone in the audience would like to speak. Jack Soderlind of 15352 NE 96TH Street asked if 96TH Street the MSA road will run into 96TH Street so it will go into a narrower road? Answer No, it won't be built right away. Only the right of way is larger not the roadbed. Paul Pearson of 15108 NE 96TH Street asked at what point did 96TH and Ohland become MSA Roads and why? Kirmis answered that the •reason is we usually like to set up a higherarchy of streets. We looked at it as a functional connection between 39 and Elk River. The idea is to establish an MSA route with sidewalks built etc. Tim Boerger at 15479 96TH ST NE stated that in his opinion, stop signs will work better than speed limits on 96TH ST. Boerger asked if it's an option to have Ohland not go thru to Co Rd 39? Kirmis said it has not been considered. Boerger asked if this plat will be ok'd tonight? Roskaft answered he does not know. Roskaft stated that it is everyone's responsibility to control traffic. Loren Stassen of 15016 NE 96TH ST said the biggest problem he sees is Ohland connecting into 96TH Street. How big a collector should this be, he asked? He said as far as the easement to the Park at the dead end, the Parks Dept is having a problem controlling access to the park now. In regards to collector size, what becomes of the intersection of 96TH and Parrish? That is a busy intersection now. as far as improvement of 96TH Street, who will pay for it? When will it be done? Roskaft asked for anyone else who wished to speak. Lewis referred to Exhibit F of NAC's Report. Kirmis said it was prepared as an illustration that could be drawn. After a meeting with the developer last week it was resolved that jogged intersections could be permitted if they meet regulations. We will allow jogged intersections provided they meet the 300' spacing requirements. Fournier stated he is sensing there are some people here CITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF 11-6--91 AT 8PM -- PAGE 5 - that don't want to see Ohland connect to #39. Can you tell us why? Kirmis said you don't prepare a transportation plan without trying to implement it. Boerger said in response to that he hopes if a problem is seen it can be changed, not set in concrete. The question was asked how large of a collector street will this be? Koshak has done some volume counts and assuming all these routes are filled that route could hold 980 cars per day. Based on ten trips per lot and so many trips to the Park and that sort of thing Kirmis said. Wallace said the MSA road does go from 96TH to Parrish. Transportation goes with what is shown there Kirmis said. Mississippi Parkwood was not designed to accomodate collector streets and if we started from scratch it would be better to connect it to #37 said Kirmis Wallace said originally it would come up #37 and shoot over to #39, to make it a MSA road we have to have the road open so it could not be MSA. A resident asked who pays for the improvement to 96TH Street. Fournier said MSA funding pays 1000 of the project. Beatty stated that City policy has been to charge a $2,500.00 special assessment to each parcel. Kirmis gave out some information he had from Koshak on stop signs for 96TH ST. Lewis asked aobut the Burdick driveway and was it addressed? Beatty told her that an easement will be provided for future driveway so it can be installed at a future date if needed. There was much discussion on 96TH Street. Mr Boerger stated if he had a choice he would not want a MSA Rd or an assessment, etc. Roskaft asked what conditions have not been met. Rask said he was concerned about the residents living on 96TH Street and discussed what could be done with the road and the special assessment. Roskaft asked for action. Paul Pearson asked about MSA roadway width (how wide)? Dennis Taylor, who was at this meeting said 24'. Paul Pearson asked about the City looking at lights for #39. Beatty told them that the County is looking into flashing lights for Parrisha nd #39 now and eventually regular signal lights as the traffic increases. Fournier stated we have looked at 4 or 5 or 6 sets of plans and he likes this one in front of him best. Roskaft asked for motion subject to recommendationi in NAC's report. Lewis motioned to recommend preliminary plat approval using the 13 conditions in NRC's report. Motion died for lack of second. Fournier stated he didn't second the motion because he would like NAC's office to review the new plat map. Wallace stated it would be helpful to have the City Engineer present. Wallace mentioned that due to the fact this plat is new, nobody saw it before and this one is different. he; CITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF 11/6/91 AT 8PM - PAGE 6 - Wallace motioned to continue the hearing to 11-20-91 at 8PM for further study by NAC. Fournier seconded the motion. Three people, Wallace, Kolles and Fournier voted in favor of the motion, Four people, Lewis, Roskaft, Swenson and Rask opposed the motion. Motion failed. Beatty told the Commission that the present plat map of Mississippi Parkwood is the direct result of a meeting this week of the Planner, Engineer, Developer, Surveyor and Staff and the changes that came out of that meeting. Lewis restated her motion to recommend approval of this Preliminary plat based on the 13 conditions in NAC's report, if they haven't been met. Carl Swenson seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously. Kirmis brought up a November Sth memo in regards to the Subdivision Ordinance. Registered engineers are allowed to Place monuments is the way our ordinance reads. Registered surveyors are only allowed to place monuments, not engineers. We need a motion to initiated this ammendment to our subdivision ordinance. Lewis motioned to initiate consideration of an Ord. ammending Sec. 21-81 of the City Subdivision Code relating to the policy of monuments by registered engineers. Fournier seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously. Licht will distribute the balance of the district material to be considered on the 20th after the Harpster Hearing. Fournier motioned to adjourn the meeting. Kolles seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously. .TAME R KOLLES, SECRETARY BY: Elaine Beatty, Recording Secretary eb