12-04-1989 Vacation Hearing MinutesSTATE OF MINNESOTA The Town Board of the Town of Otsego
COUNTY OF WRIGHT met this 4th day of December, 1989
TOWN OF OTSEGO at 1:00 P.M. Norman Freske, Chair-
man, Douglas Lindenfelser and Floyd
Roden, Supervisors, Judy Hudson, Secretary, Jerome Perrault,
Clerk, Larry Koshak, Engineer, William Radzwill Attorney, and
Dave Licht Planner, were present.
The meeting was called to order by Chairman Norman
Freske. The purpose of the meeting was to discuss vacation
of River Road and future road needs of the Township. Larry
Koshak and Dave Licht advised the Board that when vacating
River Road they should obtain an easement for a future road
to be constructed to extend 85TH Street to County #42. This
street would be designated as a collector street so that when
development comes in the area, the Town Board could specify
to the Developers that this is where they want the collector
street to be located. Dave Licht and Larry Koshak advised
the Board that they should prepare a grid for the Township
specifying where future streets should be located so that
when development occurs they will have a plan in effect to
show the Developers where they want the streets to be
constructed. The Board requested Larry Koshak and Dave Licht
to work together to prepare the grid. A copy of the grid
should be made available to the Wright County Highway
Department so they would be aware of Otsego's future street
plans. The Wright County Highway Department also needs to
know whether Otsego plans to vacate River Road so they can
finalize their plans to rebuild County #42 next year.
Attorney Bill Radzwill advised the Town Board that they
need to be aware that the County Highway Department has plans
to turn back some of the less travelled County Roads to the
Townships.
He also advised the Board that to obtain MSA status and
be eligible for MSA funding for road construction and
maintenance it would be necessary to become a City unless the
Statutes are changed.
Larry Koshak advised the Board that he has prepared a "
Standard of Specifications For Street Construction for
Developers" in Otsego Township.
Motion by Floyd Roden to adopt the following Resolution:
RESOLUTION
Be it resolved that the Town of Otsego adopts the
"Standard Specification For Street Construction" as prepared
by Hakanson Anderson Associates, Inc.
Seconded by Douglas Lindenfelser, all Board Members
voted in favor of the motion.
A revision was made in the original draft to require
eighty feet (80') right-of-way for collector streets.
The Wright County Highway Department acquired additional
STATE OF MINNESOTA
COUNTY OF WIGHT
TOWN OF OTSEGO
SPECIAL TOWN BOARD MEETING OF
DECEMBER 4, 1989
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right-of-way in order to re -align Jaber and Jalger Avenues to
Wright County #39 when they reconstructed County #39 and are
requesting the Township to accept the revised right-of-ways.
Motion by Norman Freske to waive the right of public
hearing and accept the revised right-of-way easements as
obtained by Wright County in the revised alignment of Jaber
and Julger Avenues to Wright County #39.
Seconded by Douglas Lindenfelser, all Board Members
voted in favor of the motion.
On motion the meeting adjourned.
ORMAN F. FRESKE, CHAIR -SUP.
, DOUG LINDENFELSER, SUP.
FLOYD RODEN, SUP.
ATTEST: JEROME PERRAULT, CLERK
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STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS
FOR
STREET CONSTRUCTION
FOR DEVELOPERS
OTSEGO TOWNSHIP
Adopted by Town Board on December 4, 1989
Prepared by:
HAKANSON ANDERSON ASSOCIATES, INC.
222 Monroe Street
Anoka, Minnesota 55303
Telephone: (612) 427-5860
INDEX
Page No.
1.00 GENERAL REQUIREMENTS AND COVENANTS 1
2.00 CONSTRUCTION DETAILS 3
3.00 MATERIALS 5
4.00 DESIGN CONSIDERATIONS 7
5.00 STANDARD PLATES 7
STANDARD SPECIFICATIONS
FOR
STREET CONSTRUCTION
FOR DEVELOPERS
OTSEGO TOWNSHIP
1.00 GENERAL REQUIREMENTS
1.01 Specification Reference: All work and materials shall
conform to the provisions of Minnesota Department of
Transportation (Mn/DOT) Standard Specifications for
Construction, 1988 Edition including all current addendum
except as modified herein.
1.02 Definitions:
Owner: Owner shall mean the person(s), company,
corporation, etc. that enter into a "Developers
Agreement" with the Township of Otsego for the purpose
of construction of public improvements on lands under the
ownership and control of said person(s), company,
corporation, etc.
Engineer: Engineer shall mean the Owner's engineer.
Township Engineer: Township Engineer shall mean Hakanson
Anderson Associates, Inc., Anoka, Minnesota.
1.03 Control of Work:
A. Standard Drawings: The Owner shall construct all
road ways to the section as shown on standard plates
as attached to these specifications.
B. Staking: Construction staking shall be performed
by Owners Engineer/Surveyor. All plat corners and
right-of-way control points shall be installed.
Street centerline shall be -referenced to the
established plat corners and right-of-way control
points. Street alignment, horizontal and vertical
hubs shall be set at a maximum interval of 50 feet
and shall be required at intervals of 25 feet on
curves.
C. Construction Inspection: The Township Engineer
and/or his representative shall inspect the
construction from time to time to insure conformance
to township standards and approved drawing(s). The
Owner shall notify the Township Engineer at least
24 hours ahead of time to schedule inspection. The
Owner shall provide access to the site for the
Township Engineer or his representatives.
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The Owner shall notify the Township Engineer to
inspect at the following specific periods of
construction activity:
a) When clearing and grubbing is completed.
b) When all necessary topsoil and unsuitable
subgrade materials have been removed. Soil
borings may be required to verify removal of
unsuitable soils. The Owner shall furnish such
assurance through the services of a
professional soil engineer.
c) When subbase has been graded and compacted to
+ 0.10 feet of the lines and grade establish
in the approved plans. Compaction tests
performed by a professional soils engineer may
be required in embankments upon discretion of
the Township Engineer.
d) When base course (Class V) has been placed,
compacted and graded to ± 0.10 feet of the
lines and grades established by the approved
plans. Compaction test performed by a
professional soils engineer shall be required
of the base course.
e) When bituminous base/binder and wearing course
is being placed. Compaction testing shall be
required by an approved soils testing service.
D. Acceptance of Work: Upon notice from the Engineer
that all work has been completed, the Township
Engineer will make an inspection of the entire
project. If any work is found unsatisfactory or
incomplete, instructions for correction will be
issued and another inspection will be made after
receiving notice that the corrective work has been
completed.
When final inspection reveals that all work has been
completed in accordance with the terms of the
contract, the Township Engineer shall so notify the
Owner in writing, on the date of final inspection.
The materials and workmanship will then be accepted
subject to warranty and maintenance provisions
contained in the developers agreement.
1.04 Control of Material:
A. All material placed on the street shall be new and
shall meet all requirements referred to herein.
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B. The Owner shall provide the Township Engineer with
sieve analysis performed by an independent approved
testing firm for Class V and any other manufactured
subbase or base materials. Minimum number of tests
to be run shall be one per every 250 tons placed or
a minimum of two per street.
C. The Township reserves the right to order compaction
tests taken in both the embankments, subbase and the
base materials if, in the opinion of the Township
Engineer, there appears to be insufficient
compaction. Modified Proctor density of 95% is
required for the upper two feet of the street and
90% density in the embankment below two feet of the
surface. Maximum test rate is one compaction test
per 500 foot section of roadway in each of the
subbase and base. The cost of compaction tests
shall be the responsibility of the Owner and shall
be performed by an approved testing service.
D. The Township reserves the right to order
gradation/extraction marshall density tests and
nuclear compaction on the bituminous material placed
on the street. Two sample cylinders are required
from each batch mix or per day operation. Tests
shall be performed by an approved testing lab at the
expense of the Owner.
E. The Township reserves the right to have tests run
on other material placed on the street or in the
right-of-way at the Owner's expense. Those tests
may include but not be limited to topsoil analysis,
horizonation of soils and seed analysis.
2.00 CONSTRUCTION DETAILS
2.01 Grading: All earthmoving and subgrade work shall be done
in accordance with the provisions of Mn/DOT 2101, 2104,
2105, 2111, 2112, 2120, 2130. All other work not covered
by these specifications shall be referenced to Mn/DOT
specifications where applicable.
2.02 Base Construction: Aggregate base construction shall be
a minimum of 4" or as required per approved street
sections in thickness compacted in place at maximum
density in accordance with the provisions of Mn/DOT 2211.
All other work not covered by the specification shall
be referenced to Mn/DOT specifications where applicable.
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2.03 Pavement Construction: Bituminous base/binder course
shall be 2" in thickness compacted in place. Bituminous
wear course shall be 1-1/2" in thickness compacted in
place. The depths so specified herein shall not deviate
by more than 1/4". All bituminous pavement construction
shall be done in accordance with the provisions of Mn/DOT
2331, 2341 and 2357. Bituminous berms shall be shoe
formed integral with the bituminous pavement. Oil
content shall conform to job mix design provided prior
to construction. All other work not covered by these
specifications shall be referenced to Mn/DOT
specifications where applicable.
2.04 Miscellaneous Construction:
A. Pipe Culverts & Sewers: All pipe culverts and pipe
sewers shall be done in accordance with the
provisions of Mn/DOT 2501, 2502, 2503, 2506, 2511.
All other work not covered by these specifications
shall be referenced to Mn/DOT specifications where
applicable. Pipe culverts shall be placed with a
centerline camber of at least 0.1 feet and apron end
sections.
B. Traffic Signs and Devices: Street signs and
markings shall be done in accordance with the
provisions of Mn/DOT 2564 and in accordance with the
Uniform Traffic Control Services Manual.
C. Temporary Erosion Control: All erosion control
measures required and necessary for the protection
of adjoining properties, wetlands, ponds, lakes,
rivers, etc. shall be done in accordance with the
provisions of Mn/DOT 2573. Their removal and
disposal after such time that they are not required
as determined by the Township Engineer shall be
required.
D. Turf Establishment: All disturbed areas not
surfaced shall be topsoiled, seeded and mulched or
sodded and fertilized in accordance with the
provisions of Mn/DOT 2575. These areas include but
not limited in -slopes, ditches, backslopes,
boulevards, temporary construction easements and
permanent construction easements. The depth of
topsoil shall be a minimum of 4 inches in-depth
compacted in place. All areas shall be graded to
drain to appropriate locations.
All other work not covered by these specifications
shall be referenced to Mn/DOT specifications where
applicable.
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3.00 MATERIALS
3.01 Aggregate Subbase: Aggregate subbase course shall be
Class III or IV in accordance with the provisions of
Mn/DOT 3138.
3.02 Aggregate Base: Aggregate base course shall be Class V
in accordance with the provisions of Mn/DOT 3138.
3.03 Bituminous Mixtures: Graded aggregate for bituminous
mixtures shall be BA -2 for bituminous base/binder courses
and BA -1 for bituminous wear course all in accordance
with the provisions of Mn/DOT 3139. Bituminous material
for the mixture shall be asphalt cement, penetration
120/150 in accordance with the provisions of Mn/DOT 3151
for both base/binder and wear courses.
3.04 Pipe Culverts and Pipe Sewers: Pipe culverts shall be
corrugated steel pipe in accordance with the provisions
of Mn/DOT 3226 or reinforced concrete pipe in accordance
with the provisions of Mn/DOT 3236. Minimum size shall
be 15 inch diameter or equivalent. Corrugated metal pipe
shall be a minimum 16 gage in thickness and galvanized
coated. All pipe culverts shall be furnished with
appropriate apron end sections, trash guards, fasteners
and hardware.
3.05 Metals and Metal Products:
A. Gray Iron Castings: Manhole and catch basin
castings shall be in accordance with the provisions
of Mn/DOT 3321. Castings shall be Neenah Foundry
or approved equal in accordance with the following
schedule:
Manhole R-1733 w/Type B Lid
and "Storm Sewer"
Catch Basin Manholes/Catch Basins R-3067 w/DR/DL Grate
R-3246 w/C or V Grate
R -3250-A w/F Grate
Off Street Catchbasin Manholes
and Catchbasins
R 2561-A
R 4342
B. Signs and Markers: Street signs and markings shall
be in accordance with the provisions of Mn/DOT 3352.
Signs shall attach to Flanged Channel Sign Posts in
accordance with the provisions of Mn/DOT 3401.
Minimum weight of posts shall be 2.5 lbs./ft.
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3.06 Stone and Brick:
A. Riprap: Riprap shall be Class II randomly placed
in accordance with the provisions of Mn/DOT 3601.
Geotextile fabric is required beneath all riprap and
shall be Type IV in accordance with the provisions
of Mn/DOT 3733.
B. Sewer Brick (Concrete): All concrete sewer brick
used for construction of manholes and catch basins
shall conform to the provisions of Mn/DOT 3616.
3.07 Precast Concrete Units: All precast reinforced concrete
manhole/catch basin units used in construction of pipe
sewers, shall be in accordance with the provisions of
Mn/DOT 3622.
3.08 Turf Establishment:
A. Seed mixture shall be Mn/DOT 3876 mixture number 700
or 800 applied at the rate of 50 lbs./ac.
B. Topsoil borrow shall be in accordance with the
provisions of Mn/DOT 3877..
C. Sod shall be in accordance with the provisions of
Mn/DOT 3878.
D. Commercial fertilizer shall be in accordance with
the provisions of Mn/DOT 3881 and shall be a minimum
analysis of 20-10-10 and applied at a rate of 500
lbs./ac.
E. Mulch material shall be in accordance with the
provisions of Mn/DOT 3882 and shall be Type I
applied at the rate of two tons per acre and disc
anchored.
F. Silt fence used for erosion control shall be in
accordance with the provisions of Mn/DOT 3886.
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4.00 DESIGN CONSIDERATION
4.01 All drainage calculations shall be by Soil Conservation
Service (SCS) TR55 method or similar. Culvert pipe flow
capacities shall be determined by the Handbook of Steel
Drainage and Highway Construction Products, current
edition or similar type reference. A 10 year recurrence
interval storm event shall be used for pipe design. A
100 year recurrence interval storm event shall be used
for ponding design. The Township Engineer shall be
furnished with design calculations prepared by a
registered engineer for review prior to approval of
plans.
4.02 All right-of-way widths shall conform to the following
minimum standards.
Traveled Shoulder
Classification R/W Width Width Width
Collector Streets 80' 24' rural 8'
32' suburb.
Minor Streets 66' existing 24' rural
28' suburb.
60' new 24' rurual
28' suburb.
Cul-de-sac 60' RAD 45' radius
Horizontal and vertical alignment shall provide for not
less than 30 mph design speed on minor streets and 50
mph on collector streets.
All centerline gradients shall be at least 0.5 percent
and shall not exceed 6 percent. Vertical curves shall
be utilized when the "m" distance is greater than 0.20'.
Intersection radius shall be a minimum of 30'.
5.00 STANDARD PLATES (TYPICAL SECTIONS) ATTACHED
7
J
r
0
66' / 60'
4'
Taper Edge
12'
12'
. 4'
Varies
I/37Ft.'Min.
E'
Driveway
Culvert
Mkt. 15' Dia.
–A & 6 Bituminous Mot
Shoulder
— 41 Min. Depth
of Topsoil
— C Class 5 Gravel Base 26' Width
-O Approved Subgrode 32' Width
LEGEND
AASHTO
R VALUE,SIGMA. N18
BITUMINOUS SURFACE
AGGREGATE
BASE
SUBGRADE
SOIL CLASS
WEAR
2341
A*
BASEIBINOER
2331
6*
CLASS 5/6
3138
C*
CLASS 3/4
3138
Di1'
A-3
A-4
A-6
A-7
(R-70:190.000)
(R-20:=90.000)
(R-1590.000)
(R.10:590.000)
(R -5:s90.000)
1 1/2'
1 1/2'
1 1/2'
1 1/2'
.1 1/2'
2'
2'
2'
2'
2'
' 4'
4"
4•
618'
6'
-
s,
6'
* SUBJECT TO REVIEW BY OUAUFIED SOILS ENGINEER
NOTES: R VALUE IS A MEASURE OF EMBANKMENT SOIL _
RESISTANCE STRENGTH AS DETERMINED BY THE
HUEEM STABILOMETER METHOD.
SIGMA.. 1418 VALUES ARE THE CUMUI-ATIVE DAMAGE
EFFECT OF VEHICLES DURING THE DESIGN LIFE'
OF A FLEXIBLE PAVEMENT_
BITUMINOUS RURAL STREET SECTION - 9 TON
NO SCALE
OTSEGO TOWNSHIP
STANDARD DETAIL
OT1
66' / 60'
o -r
J
r
0
0
a1
Varies
5'
15'
Varies
5'min.
2%
IFill Behind Berm
W/ Topsoil Min.
Depth 4»
Vminq
Match Existing
%3~/Ff.
Bituminous Berm
This Shape or
Approved Equal
A & B Bituminous Mat
-C Class 5 Gravel 31' Width
— 0 Approved Subgrade 32' Width
c
1.-21
LEGEND
• AASHTO
R VALUE,SIGMA N18
BITUMINOUS SURFACE
AGGREGATE
BASE
SUBGRADE
SOIL GLASS
WEAR
2341
A*B*C*
BASE/BINDER
2331
CLASS 5/6
3138
CLASS 3/4
3 36
A-3
A-4
A-6
A-7
(R -70:s 90.000)
(R-20:190.000)
(R-15:590,000)
(R'10:S90,000)
(R-5:_<90,000)
1 1/2'
1 1/2'
1 1/2'
1 1/2'
1 1/2'
2'
2'
2'
2'
2'
' 4'
4'
4'
6'
6'
-
-
6'
T
18'
* SUBJECT TO REVIEW BY QUALIFIED SOILS ENGINEER
NOTES: IL
R SIEMBANKMENT
STANCE STRENGTH AS DETERMINED TO
BY THE
HUEEM STABILOMETER METHOD.
SIGMA N18 VALUES ARE THE CUMULATIVE MAGE
EFFECT OF VEHICLES DURING THE DESIGN LIFE'
OF A FLEXIBLE PAVEMENT.
SUBURBAN STREET SECTION - 9 TON
(BITUMINOUS BERM)
NO SCALE
OTSEGO TOWNSHIP
STANDARD DETAIL
OT2
Property Lln..
66' / 60'
31' B -B
15.5'
15.5'
B-618 Concrete
Curb and Gutter
Placed on Approved
Subgrade
Slope we per ft. 20/0 Min. Slope
A & B Bituminous Mat
— C. Class 5 Gravel
— 0 Approved Subgrade 32' Width
Property_Line
LEGEND
AASHTO
tt
R VALUE.SIGMA. N18
BITUMINOUS SURFACE
AGGREGATE BASE
SUBGRAOE
WEAR
BASE/BINDER
CLASS 5/6
CLASS 3/4
SOIL CLASS
2341
Alk
2331
B4'
3138
C%-
3138
D*
A-3
(R-70:1.90.000)
1 1/2'
2'
• 4'
-
A-4
(R-20:190,000)
1 1/2'
2'
4'
-
A-6
(R•15: 90.000)
1 1/2'
2'
4'
6
A-7
(R•10:190,000)
1 1/2'
2'
6'
7'
_
(R-5:590.000)
1 1/2'
2'
6'
18'
*SUBJECT TO REVIEW BY QUALIFIED SOILS ENGINEER
NOTES: R VALUE IS A MEASURE OF EMBANKMENT SOIL
RESISTANCE STRENGTH AS DETERMINED BY THE
HUEEM STABILOMETER METHOD.
SIGMA. N18 VALUES ARE THE CUMULATIVE DAMAGE
EFFECT OF VEHICLES DURING THE DESIGN LIFE'
OF A FLEXIBLE PAVEMENT.
SUBURBAN STREET SECTION - 9 TON
(CONCRETE CURB & GUTTER)
NO SCALE OTSEGO TOWNSHIP
STANDARD DETAIL
OT3
NOTES FROM THE TAPE OF THE RIVER ROAD VACATION WORK MEETING
OF 12-4-89 - 2:00 P.M.
PRESENT: FLOYD RODEN NORM FRESKE LARRY KOSHAK
DOUG LINDENFELSER BILL RADZWILL DAVID LICHT
JEROME PERRAULT JUDY HUDSON
Larry: Prepare a plan with options for the County on River
Road Vacation and new easements. Vacate this portion.
Petition the County to put entrance here and aquire and build
this portion. Would the County build all the way back to
here?
Doug: How many feet did they say they would go? Not very
much, 250' or so. That would eleminate them buying access
and land and the whole bit. We need to get the entrance in
the right spot and vacate the first part. Get County to
build 150' to 250' entrance for us. As far as assessing
back, issues are established based on City -County status, but
not on County -Township status. Towns are different when our
size. We got $7,000.00 or $8,000.00 gas tax money last year.
Bill: What we should show John LeFebvre is that we need to
trade right-of-ways. We give up one and we get one. It
sounds like LeFebvre is very willing to vacate portion of
River Road.
Larry Koshak will get some information together and get it to
John LeFebvre and the County Engineers and Dick Marquette.
Larry: If the County would do the assessing and take that
off your back.
Bill: They have never done one and he will tell you that
right off the bat. They don't want to do it. They get
nailed. It's hard.
Judy Hudson introduced papers fro the Board to look at on
Julger and Jaber right-of-way on #39, easements and
turnbacks. Where they made 90 degree angles. Turning
easements back to us. Bill asked why the County didn't just
deed it over to the Township?
Larry said they are turning back easements to us and they
aquired other easements for right-of-way.
Bill asked Judy to get Dick Marquette on the phone and ask
them to deed it over to us.
Larry Koshak: 3-1/4" of bituminous on 9 -ton roads. We've
been going with 3", but MSA requires it be 3-1/2". It only
really applies for MSA designed streets. You can only assess
land for benefit.
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Dave Licht: Normally communities figure what a 7 -ton road
costs and then figure the difference between a 7 and 9 ton
road and the community pays the difference between 7 and 9
ton road. A 7 ton is a residential street and that is what
you show benefit on.
Larry: You can build the road 7 ton and then come in and put
another 2" on when you want to go to 9 ton roads. You
restrict it with signs that it is 7 ton.
Dave Licht: I think if you think the road will be a 9 -ton
road eventually, (A collector street), you should build the
base for a 9 ton road, because it costs a lot more to go back
and rebuild it.
Larry: There are three types of sections:
1. Rural street section - with a bituminous suburban
berm on it. That is a little wider than normal.
2. This bottom would be OK for MSA minimum MSA is 32'
with curb back to back.
3. Suburban street with curb and gutter 618 curb and
gutter.
We've looked at the soils in the Town and used the soils
classification and this is the one accepted by MSA. These A-
3 soils are the better soils, the granular soils. A-7 and A-
6 are the bad clay soils. We have some of those in the Town.
You go across the map you can see what it needs for
bituminous and we've stuck to the standard of 3-1/2" for 9
ton. If you eliminate the 1-1/2" you are about at a 7 ton
road then. Just don't put the top on it. If you look at how
much class 5 and Class 6 you put in you are looking at 4 to
6" underneith that, depending on the soils you put in up to
18" of class 3 or class 4 material. The top of the class 3
or 4 material will actually be your subgrade. That would be
always 32' wide. You would have to cut it out if you wanted
to put in the Class 3 or 4. That would be your subgrade on
top of that would be your gravel.
What we did with Darkenwald down here and what we would
like to do with all the Developers, is let them go out and do
the soil borings to determine what the design should be, and
do it by a methiod that we can all accept. The soils
Engineer will tell us : a. That's what we need here. This
is your specs for soils. We need 6" of gravel and 4" of
class 3 or 4. So, that's what we need to do and that's what
Darkenwalds did and that's what we should do in the future
developments.
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Bill: Did ou get a chance to check with the County what
standards they have right now? We have kind of a cross-over.
Larry: They have these standards that I have here.
Bill: A11 I want to do is protect ourselves so we don't have
a hassle with the County Planning & Zoning. We want to make
sure that there is no conflict as far as grades, Etc.
Floyd: We want to make sure our standards are strictor, or
better and the County's.
Larry: If you go back a page then we talked about right-of-
way bids. What we should require on collector streets. If
you are going through a plat and you've designated that as a
collector throughway and you say what should we have as
right-of-way.
Dave Licht: I recommend that there is a change in that. I'd
have collector major and collector minors. Don't give an
option 60 or 80 in there, because that goes back to your map
because we just got done with a major lawsuit in Oakdale and
they had 60 or 80 and the developer has said I'm going with
the 60's and the City said no, you're going to put in 80 and
it ended up the City is eatig a lot of it.
Bill: Ya, you've got your minor streets at 66. Ya, let's
just strike the one.
Larry: In Rogers we go 70.
Doug: That could be negotiated though, couldn't it?
Larry: Well, when it's a MSA street, you start putting in
ditches, you are way out on someone's property. If you
create curb sections, It's not so bad. Then you can live
with it.
Dave'Licht suggested we take the 80 and be done with it
because once it is lost, It's too hard to get back because
people use it for setbacks, Etc.
Bill: You can always use it for snowplowing.
Dave: The minor streets are 66' now? Ya.
Larry: Rurals 24, Suburban as 28 and cul -du -sacs 60' radius.
Town Board wasn't sure of this.
Larry: Bituminous was 50' but his right-of-way was 60.
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Doug: I think you should go with 60 I guess. See, what we
were recommending is 45. Plus, we get to talk about another
thing, the radius. A bus doesn't make a 30' radius, quite.
The big one.
Larry: If you go to 60' right-of-way, you want to maintain
the same boulevard as you go around the cul -du -sac, 15' or
whatever it is from the shoulder to right-of-way because you
have the utilities easement there.
Larry: If you put 50' radius bituminous and you only have
10' left of right-of-way, boulevard, the normal street has
15' shoulder, so you shorten it up. Normally I don't think
platting laws, 60' has been acceptable.
Dave: I think that is something you ought to address in
there, you're policy on Cul -du -sacs.
Norm: We aren't in favor of them. Most cities and
communities in terms of maintenance aren't.
Doug: And some people love them. We can't get rid of them
all. The thing to do is to put in here what your policy is.
You can say it is only acceptable where it is necessary due
to typography. It can only be, and put a distance on it -
so long, and put that in there (Dave Licht) With that, I can
start eliminating some of the battles before you go into
them.
Floyd: We should have that in there and cul -du -sac size.
Norm: We've been arguing about that before.
Dave: What we would be talking about is an Ordinance.
Larry: Of course, we can eliminate this section in here.
Board: No. Leave it in there.
Bill: Agreed.
Dave: Agreed.
Larry: Then down below, some of this stuff you maybe want to
pick out later and put in the Ordinances?
Town Board: Ya.
Larry: Like thoughts about 30 MPH design speed. Now, that's
design speed. Actual speed you may want to post about 25
MPH. We want to design the road so it is a little bit faster
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road. The collector we have 50 MPH so the curves and all
will be designed for 50 MPH. Centerline is 1/295. You Can't
be anymore than 695 steep.
Doug: Ditches
Larry: No. Going up a hill.
Bill: Trains are only 4 or 3-1/2%.
Larry: 695 is 6' on 100'.
Norm: What about the one by the river there? They call all
the time for it to be sanded there on 62ND Street. 212
pitch, that's quite a bit.
Larry: It depends on how many ton, what speed, traffic and
all that business. They get down where it can't be more than
1-1/295.
Doug: How about the County? Do you know?
Bill: They don't have specifications. That's how we got in
a hassle with Monticello.
Doug: For none of their roads?
Bill: No. The only standard they use is Minn -DOT.
Larry: Everything is done by Minn -DOT.
Bill: Specs.
Larry: The only question I have is sooner or later do you
plan on putting this in the Ordinance form? I'd like it to
be in Ordinance form, and if Dave could look at this and get
it over with.
Floyd: How about a dumping Ordinance?
Dave: The way I think I would like to see these things
handled and I don't care if you ant to put it in an Ordinance
or not, if htere are specifications have it done by
Resolution, because otherwise, you have to go through the
chains and that sort of things. It makes it easier if you
want to make it and Ordinance now, that's fine.
Bill: In fact, I just want to get it done.
Larry: This could be by Resolution now and it can be changed
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to an Ordinance.
Floyd: With these few changes we could adopt this Resolution
right now.
Bill: Yes. Where we stand with the roads and what we want
to do on the other, we kind of need to move. What we are
doing is our road policy decisions we are doing it in one day
when most people take two years. It gives us at least
something to start with and we can change it.
Larry: This acceptance - maybe, we don't need it, but why we
had it in there is because a lot of them say - Well, I didn't
know that.
Bill: We can put that into the Developers Contract.
Larry: You want to take this acceptance out?
Bill: Yes, but other than that Larry, the rest, form wise,
hopefully it meets all of our needs. If it doesn't quite, we
shift it over one, to whatever we find does work.
Dave: What's important is to get it into place. You can
always change it.
Bill: Absolutely, like Zoning and Planning, it's never
perfect. Is it Dave? It's kind of vague.
Dave: That's right.
Bill: You've got to build it and you've got to start with
something. We are doing a lot of Planning right now.
Floyd: In other words, we can adopt this Resolution right?
Larry: Adopt a Resolution for the standard specifications
for street construction.
Bill: Larry, and there are the standards you used on the
other plats?
Larry: Pretty close.
Bill: We have a right to change it.
Floyd: I'll make a Motion that we adopt these standards for
road specification for street construction for Developers in
Otsego Township, with corrections of 80' on collector streets
and cancel item #6 on Page #8.
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Doug: I'll second that Motion.
Norm: I'll agree with that Motion.
Larry: OK, and I'll get together a final draft.
Norm: You also need to get a letter to the County.
Bill: On this they need a letter of acceptance on these two
street easements and waving the Hearing, on #39. That is all
they need. The facts seem to be they straightned the road
out and they made 90 degrees. We are not turning any of the
old right-of-way back so you'll have to decide if you want to
maintain that. You are accepting the new right-of-way and
the road the way it is constructed now.
Doug: So you will also have the old right-of-way?
Bill: You'll still have, apparently a sliver on the other
side.
Bill: You have a file on roads, right? You need to attach
this into the Resolution adapted. In five years from now
when we try to find. out what we did we want to make it so we
index it. Make sure it gets into file on roads.
Judy: NSP called today and because of the cold weather
facility going in they have a transmission that has to be
moved and they want to move it up by #37 and they want a
Conditional Use Permit. Do you observe Martin Luther King's
Holiday here?
Bill: Ya. All offical Holidays we have to observe by
Statute.
Norm: Motioned to waive the Hearing and accept the strip of
right-of-way on #39. (Tape ended)
TRANSLATED BY: Elaine Beatty, Deputy Clerk