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04-06-1994 Special Workshop MinutesMINUTES OF THE PROCEEDINGS OF THE SPECIAL WORKSHOP MEETING IN THE CITY OF OTSEGO, COUNTY OF WRIGHT, MINNESOTA SPECIAL SESSION APRIL 6, 1994 - 7:OOPM CITY HALL 1. MAYOR NORMAN F FRESKE WILL CALL TO ORDER 7:30 PM Mayor Freske called the meeting to order. ROLL CALL: NORMAN F FRESKE DOUG LINDENFELSER FLOYD RODEN LARRY FOURNIER RON BLACK THE FOLLOWING STAFF WAS PRESENT. DAVID LICHT, PLANNER ANDY MAC ARTHUR, ATTORNEY ELAINE BEATTY, DEPUTY CLERK/ZONING ADM. _•► • .1 iL • 4 : .I • kJ• •LI14.t_ Larry Koshak explained that Odean Ave was selected for the boundary of the watershed area. He said the portion of the S side of Odean Ave (front portion of Mr Morsiette's property drains into a different area. The potholes would have to fill up and overflow. It could be another watershed. It could go to Otsego Creek Watershed or Rice Creek/Foster Lake Watershed. The back end of the property does flow directly into the creek. The property is in the watershed. Andy MacArthur said this is for planning. Mr Fournier said he was under the impression that the original intent was not to allow large scale development until we can get the creek maintenance easements so we could solve the LeFebvre Watershed problem. Doug agreed. Ron Black felt it was to stop the area changing until the City can solve the problem of drainage. Larry Fournier felt the impact was less with this. Mayor Freske said then why have it. Doug Lindenfelser agreed, Mr Koshak went over the map of the watershed area and showed where the water flows on the Morsiette property. Mr Morsiette showed the Council where his land is, and the elevation of the land More discussion of this watershed and the water flow was had. Andy MacArthur said the intent of the Ordinance is that is in the area. It now needs to be determined if we need an Amendment. Some additional language would need to be in the Ordinance, stating clearly. Mr Morsiette said that the timing is the problem. Due to the circumstances, there is some concern as to what the intent was, since January 13, 1994. To make an exception every time someone comes to the City is not right. Mr Freske said that he sees a problem with changing the Ordinance now. Otherwise why would we do anything. Mr Morsiette is building his house 400' back from Odean. He would be closer than the neighbor to the road. He didn't want to interfere with the proposed road. Mr Licht asked what they saw as the timing of the Ordinance. Mr Black said by July we should get the topo maps. They CITY OF OTSEGO SPECIAL WORKSHOP MEETING OF APRIL 6, 1994 AT 7PM -PAGE2- Mayor Freske asked what Mr Koshak would recommend. Mr Roden said if we can do this and still keep this Moratorium he would agree to it. Larry Koshak said we couldn't think of every situation. Mr Morsiette said they are asking for this because of the timing and the information that has been told them. Mr Black said the request seems reasonable. If the earthwork is done after the topographical is done, won't that screw up the data? Mr Koshak agreed. How do we make sure that this dosen't happen said Mr Black, Mr Licht said we can require a grading and drainage plan for that area. Mr Black said 75% of the Council Meetings are dealing with water. Mr Freske agreed. Andy MacArthur said they could add information to this. Mr Licht said there has been litigation on Moratoriums and the Woodbary one is one he knows of. He is concerned about this and it was his understanding it was major development. We don't want to be in a position where the City has opened the door to litigation. If it is not directly in the watershed, and if that language can be built in. He also agrees with Ron Black that if every time there is a problem they change the data, that is a problem. Larry Koshak said he feels the least amount of dirt being disturbed as possible. That there be an as -built done and the drainage be restricted to the little pond on site. (Just South of 8 on the Section No. on the map) After the study is done and accepted, if he wanted to do more grading, we would have the information. Mr MacArthur said they would amend the Ordinance using Mr Licht's language and include the as-builts, etc. Mr Fournier felt an amendment is in order. They will put the correct information in and have it ready for Monday night. Mayor Freske said that bothers him if we are making our decisions on litigation. Mr Licht said we still want the over-all problem solved. Mr Koshak is leaving on Saturday morning. They will work something out. The Council had a consensus to handle this matter in that way. This will be an agenda item for Monday Night Council Agenda. 3. DISCUSSION OF THE PROPOSED FIRE ARMS ORDINANCE Mr Licht said that they had put together an ordinance taken basically from other ordinance. A lot of communities have committees. SheriffHozempa reviewed this Ordinance. There was a reviewal process in the Ordinance by the Sheriff. He didn't want to get into it. It was taken out. It is up to the Council. It is an issue that you will be confornting. Mr Roden said he brought it up because they are shooting on the levee. The snowmobilers brought up the guns also. The new area by Halls pond a resident was asking about shooting. It is a Residential area. Where is the line. Mr Freske brought up the State Regulations that are now being observed. Mr Roden said the people are not aware. Mr Freske said that is a poor excuse. We have all these laws. Dave Licht said you can publish in the newsletter the State Regulaitons are. He said he doesn't think there are regulations on bebe guns. This Ordinance attempts to address a fairly wide area. There is a restriction now. Dave Licht said if he is not mistaken, most of the regulations deal with hunting. Maybe in the Fall newsletter try publishing the State regulations and if it doesn't work out you can go with the Ordinance. Ron Black said we could get the two CITY OF OTSEGO SPECIAL WORKSHOP MEETING OF APRIL 6, 1994 AT 7PM - PAGE 3 - sides in the same room and let them resolve the problem. Maybe it would be appropriate to wait on this until next Fall when complaints come in. We can publish the discharge of Firearms Rules, State Regulations. When things get going full blast, we can advertise that we are looking at an Ordinance, and encourage everyone who is interested in Hunting or not interested in Hunting come in and help with the Ordinance. Andy MacArthur said if they look at the State Regulations and put it on the map they may be shocked. Mr Lindenfelser asked if you drew up a map would you stick to Residential zoning? Mr Licht said we should try to put together a map and draw a 500' circle around that. Ing Roskaft said that the State does not stop them from hunting along the river and he has never gotten any complaints from anyone. Across from his property they have been hunting game. His neighbor sends everybody down to Ing to get permission to hunt. There are two islands in the river there. They are in the City of Otsego. I don't see any reason to stop hunting until we get complaints. 4 INFORMATION TO THE COUNCIL FROM LARRY KOSHAK, ENGR r K h.k II_ •.!� h. M.ni is .1 . 11 h. • hl•rin. 12" . -11360 PM to 500 GMP $3,400 per bid, project cost $ 4,000. $67.60 estimated per month for maintenance. Average 0 and M $3,800.00 a year over 30 years. If the City were to construct that well, which would probably run in the neighborhood of $80,000.00 for a larger well, a pitless adapter, chlorinating and other indirect costs. We would look for 1,000 gal capacity. Mt Simon aquafer is not very good. The iron is high. We would be looking to come back to the Oclair Galesville. we could get 500 gals. We would dig as big a well as we could. We would probably have to dig other wells in the city. John Harwood put together some figures. You would bond for the well. We looked at Elk River's method of assessment. $1,000.00 per WAC. $45,000 per WAC. one house is one WAC. The school is equivalent to 45 WACS. The house would be $1,000.00. More discussion was had. The school is very interested in municipal well. Licht said the schools can handle annual fees, but capitol costs are harder. The school had some complaints on what they were being charged for WAC from Elk River. Champlin had a WAC charge of $3,300.00 only a few years ago. After the bond was paid, they reduced there charge. Mr Koshak suggested that they take a loan from the general fund for a amount $50,000.00 or whatever. As you pay it off you would return that amount. A water system would help you attract development said Mr Licht. The next situation is you want to extend you line to wherever it is. You have to put pump houses, extend the main. You have to have a regular pumphouse That will cost more money. That is a start to build the system. You can do this for the school, but you have to be ready to serve other areas. Ron Black said it is vital to put in the well and we need to charge reasonable charges. Larry Fournier would like to know that other people will use the well. Mr Licht said you pass an Ordinance that says you have to use our well. Can we still do the well? Doug asked. Larry Koshak said yes, we can. We need to set down with the School District and tell CITY OF OTSEGO SPECIAL WORKSHOP MEETING OF APRIL 6, 1994 AT 7PM -PAGE4- them what we can do. How do you want to handle that? Ron Black thinks the experts from both entities should get together and come up with recommendations. Council all agreed on that. Timing is crutial. This is a revenue bonding. Water systems normally make you money. Mr Freske asked if we should buy property for a water tower. Larry Koshak had a map of a layout of water tower and wells and the pressure points. He will be back at the second Council Meeting in April with information. 5. ANY OTHER BUSINESS Dave Licht said that the Ordinance prohibits electronic signs. Larry Fournier said the Fire Contract with Albertville had a fire Committee as a stipulation. He felt we needed a letter saying we are looking for that to happen now. Mr Licht said NAC is doing an evaluation of the site for the proposed fire hall. Larry Koshak brought up Ed Dauphanias and mining and can we negotiate some things for the Easement? He needs to dedicate the easement during the permit process. Mr Freske asked about planting trees close to neighbors? 6. ADJOURN - HOPEFULLY BY 8PM LARRY FOURNIER MOTIONED TO ADJOURN. DOUG LINDENFELSER SECONDED THE MOTION. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. MEETING ADJOURNED BY 8:3OPM T0 FLO A., ft �< 7-/—€ ,, .. FRESKE, MAYOR OUCT/L VDENFELSE , COUNCIL -- o e E�7,!1 Ali IER `r_ L. - %D ° ODEN, COUNCIL ° LARRY /LIRN, COUNCIL RON BLAC ATTEST' COUNCIL E' AINE BEATTY, DEUTY CLERK/ ZONING ADMINISTRATOR EB (CITY SEAL)