07-10-97 WSCITY OF OTSEGO
COUNTY OF WRIGHT
MINUTES
JULY 10,1997-6:30PM COUNCIL WORKSHOP ON SEWER AND WATER
1. Mayor Larry Fournier will call meeting to order
Mayor Larry Fournier called the meeting to order at 6:30PM
ROLL CALL:
Mayor Larry Fournier, Suzanne Ackerman, Mark Berning, and Virginia Wendel,
Council Members were present. Vern Heidner, Council Member was absent.
Larry Koshak, John Harwood, Kevin Kielb and Steve Weser, Engineers, Dave
Licht, Bob Kirmis, Planners, Andy Mac Arthur, Attorney and Elaine Beatty, City
Cleik/Zoning Administrator were also present.
2 Discussion of sewer and water informationlrenorts
Mayor Fournier turned the meeting over to Kevin Kielb to discuss sewer and
water information.
John Harwood presented the sewer portion of the agenda, charts of projected
growth and twenty year sewer planning. (See attached information given on overheads).
Design criteria was given and tabulation of RECS were shown on chart.
CM Berning asked how many low density/high density lots we have in the
immediate urban service area? John Harwood didn't have now but he can add it together
(See Appendix B). 4163 potential development areas.
CM Berning wanted to know if we are putting in those pipes, who pays? John
Harwood - We are not putting those pipes in now.
John Harwood explained evaluation of the entire service area: Phase I is -what we
are talking about doing.. (He showed Phase I Trunk System),
CM Benning asked who will be assessed for the trunks? John - First phase of
development pays for trunks.
N2 shown exhibit: Basics are in this plan it sets criteria for pipes. Pian is for
many years. Detailed information for each district shown by John Harwood.
CM Berning asked if any major gas lines that we need to be concerned with?
John said there are always conflicts, nothing is unresolveable. Any problems would be
cross country pipeline or electric with their own easements.
APPENDIX B : Shows details of pipes/cost estimates/data/base of cost. Red line
is force main/Green line gravity sewer.
CM Wendel asked if all pipes in side of roads? John said many are in right of
way or easement (would be temporary construction easement). Some easement along
side of the road.
CM Wendel asked if there is a cost for temporary easement? John, normally they
try to put sewer in the most economical place. In areas of heavy development you wind
up replacing roads.
John Harwood continued to review the information on the attached pages.
Phase I area 3,930 potential RECS for full development. In the next 20 years 1,351
RECS. One third of the area will fully develope in 20 year period.
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The first phase construction base system shown by John $1,395,000. project cost.
Two lift stations, forcemain between, one to treatment plant, no person or houses will
connect to the system.
Larry Koshak said Phase I and IA only a few local roads would have lines in
them. (Quaday, through Big Eds, Christ Lutheran Church and Bank and Tom Thumb
area road.
John Harwood said that restoration is not that excessive. Page 15 Chart shown.
Once the trunk is built, a gravity system can be built. RECS 568 North, 329 East for 897
RECS total. If fully developed a maximum of 0.22 MGD. Quaday area shown. East of
Quaday 326 RECS, West of Quaday 394 RSCS, 897 RECS Total.
CM Wendel asked about Fabian Sadowski's land. Larry Koshak explained it can
be served at an estimated $3,000 per REC would fund the system. Systems are not cast
in stone. The base trunk needs to be put in with a forcemain to treatment.
John Harwood explained Fabian Sadowski's property and how to service with a 4"
forcemain not too costly. 2.5 to 2.8 million to get the basic sewer system in place is the
estimated cost.
John Darkenwald asked about a financial consultant. He was told the City has
hired Tom Truszinski of Juran and Moody, Inc.
Paul Levenson asked about sewer for his area West of #101. The CompPlan will
look at it. More discussion and Paul wants to be included in that area. The Planner and
Engineer will check his issue out.
POTABLE WATER SYSTEM STUDY:
Water will go with sewer along side and is the same as the sewer area.
Population projection is the same. Same key elements.
1). Wells 2). Storage (ground or towers) 3). Watermains. They looked at water
towers/fire flow needs looked at, 3,500 GPM for Commercial - 2,500 GPM Residential.
Flow demands calculated for entire area of service. Blue shading is twenty year period
"Exhibit C". 50 year - 100 year pipe life. Page 10 system design ( Kevin Kieib
explained). Study is conservative. The Department of Health wants enough storage for
one days demand. Well and tower placement explained, where/why/how and system
growth: Pg. 12 graff.
Phase I area shown:
20 year 405,600 GPD is higher than sewer number as you loose some. 50GPD
from 250GPD will be lost.
Phasing of system:
Pg. 15 of report explained (Charts).
End of 20 years, 1/2 million GPD - add water tower. NW of school property (LeFebvre)
is proposed for first water tower. Towers #2 and 3 - 100' high, Tower 41 140' high to
make it work.
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Department of Health requires at least two wells. Kevin Kielb explained. There
are different scenarios of what wells would be developed first. He explained the size and
cost of the mains and laterals. 68 RECS per year for a 20 year periods. Total is $3,875.
per REC required to fund the water system.
Mayor Fournier - When do we have to add another well. Answer - Immediately,
as soon as one more consumer, we need another well and water tower.
Kevin Kielb explained how what wells are built and determined.
CM Wendel asked if people can hook up to either water or sewer alone without
the other? Kevin answered this is a Council decision.
CM Wendel asked if we own any land for water towers? Kevin stated we need
100x100' site for well (one acre). One third of the area developing will pay for the water
system in the first phase.
Wally odell - Regarding the sewer system: Oversizing and trunk depth dictated
by study area. Why isn't the difference spread out over the entire service area?
John Harwood - We don't know when and if that will happen.
Wally - Shouldn't the City be picking up the difference?
John Harwood explained the trunk charges are charged as connection charges
,against properties.
Oversizing of trunk explained - Same connection charge and will be charged for
areas when they hook up.
Dave Licht - The directive is that the system Would have to provide service and be
paid for by the area developed (The Council can decide to charge people}
On the O and M charges John Harwood passed out information from Osseo
69cents per 1,000 gals of #low. Anoka is 93 cents per 1,000, The bottom line is $16.00
per quarter, per REC at 70 cents per 1,000. This is very similar to our system we are
looking at.
John Darkenwald asked about stormsewer and how much a REC?
Larry Koshak said an Impact Fee can be placed by the City on each watershed it is
looked at individually. Impact Fee placed on the developer per acre. That will take care
of the trunk and the City or Developer will build it and get credit. At the time of
development the City will get storm sewer figures (more discussion) The stormsewer
costs are in the range of $1,000 to $2,000 per acre.
CM Wendel asked how they pay for easements? The benefited properties pay
through project costs said Larry Koshak.
CM Wendel asked about the trunk line and how/who pays? Larry said different
ways to handle it. John Harwood said he is assuming people do not pay until they
develop.
Dave Licht talked about development and how to concentrate development so the
system becomes feasible. Farmland and Green Acres was questions. Mayor Fournier
said the user pays.
#3 site selection of treatment facility:
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Larry Koshak gave a presentation same as he gave last night at the Dayton/Otsego
Joint Wastewater Treatment Plant Meeting. He discusses three selected sites, #1, #2 and
#3 and a site by Dayton on #36.
Mayor Fournier asked about closeness to the river. Larry Koshak agreed it does
make sense.
CM Ackerman, Bcrning and Mayor Fournier would like to see it closer to the
Crow River.
Discussion of making a decision on the size of the plant so Tom Truszinski can
give us some preliminary figures on financing picture by using Bonestrods Report.
CM Berning said he has reservations on the plant. He is not saying no, but he is
interested in seeing the Comp Plan updated. He does not feel the Council looked at the
plan. How firm are the boundaries? What are we going to tell people? Residents in the
NE corner need to know the cost, etc. He feels it will be a 12 to 14 million dollar
project.
Suzanne Ackerman said she has been working on sewer and water for two years.
The City has been talking about sewer and water since the mid 70's. It is time to get off
out butts and do something. Either go for sewer and water or do nothing and shut down
the City for all development.
Dave Licht said the 1990 plan shows sewer from Elk River, now we don'i know
where sewer is. We don't know if sewer is coming or not. We can put a plan together
with sewer and one with no sewer but that is a substantial cost. The Council has to make
a decision yes, this is feasible or na, it is not feasible. There are two concepts:
# 1. Pending a public health problem.
92. Commerci a] /Industrial tax base
The City should not continue to develop one acre lots with no sewer and water
service. Much more discussion on this.
Discussion of Commercial and Industrial base with TIF Financing? Dave Licht
said it is based on an average.
CM Berning asked if the sewer district is firm? More discussion.
Dave Licht said a list of policies need to be put together.
CM Wendel motioned to adjourn the meeting. Suzanne Ackerman seconded the
motion. Motion carried unanimously.
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EL BEATTY, CITY CLE ONING ADM.