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02-05-92 PCCITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES OF 2/5/92 AT 8PM - PAGE 1 - Chairman Carl Swenson called the meeting to order at 8:07PM. Members present were as follows: ING ROSKAFT KATHY LEWIS BRUCE RASK JIM KOLLES MARK WALLACE LARRY FOURNIER (COUNCIL/PC REP) Council members present: FOR RON BLACK FLOYD RODEN NORMAN F FRESKE Staff present: BOB KIRMIS ELAINE BEATTY First item on the agenda was the consideration of Minutes of 222-92. Lewis stated that paragraph number three on the first page of the minutes, the bottom of the paragraph, she would like clarification of the Zoning issues. She wanted to know if Licht had stated that information, or if the Planning Commission had? Beatty said that Licht had made the statement. Kirmis stated that we are only changing the names of the Zoning, not the actual zoning at this time. He also stated that Assessments can be based on land value and also Zoning now. (not only land value) Roskaft motioned that the Minutes of 1/22/92 be accepted with changes. Rask seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously. The meeting was then turned over to Bob Kirmis to proceed with the Zoning Ordinance review Kirmis noted some typographical errors: Line #4, Page 2-C. Insert shall "be" used. Pg 5 - Item B remove, after tense, "the singular includes the plural, etc" because it is restated in D Pg 33, A-8 Residential "Care" not facility. Pg 83, AG read "A-1" R 8.9.10 ommitted B 4 -.S.6 " I_3 I-4 " Pq 87, Paragraph F AG & TZ, Should read "A-1 & A-2" Pg 207, Paragraph A third line from the bottom signs shall "be" allowed. Pg #120, #12 Driveway Access: Freske brought up requiring driveways to be paved or surfaced it non --conforming when a permit is issued. It was decided that only now plats should be required to have paving .at the time of development for now. It was also discussed that the P.C. felt we should make it possible to defer driveway paving for commercial use (VF=W was mentioned). Needs some flexibility built into it. Pg 82: Lewis brought up accessory buildings and much discussion was had on size allowed for detached, attached and allowing more square footage with Conditional Use Permits. -wenson asked if anyone wished to pursue any changes? Beatty read the minutes to the Planning Commission where it had been CITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES OF 2/5/92 AT 8PM - PAGE 2 - discussed at a previous meeting and Licht had been directed to write up regulationd using the discussion and bring it back to the Planning Commission to go over. Wallace said he feels that a total of 1500 Sq Ft of accessory space is the maximum that should be allowed without a Cond Use Permit. He stated it is your choice of how it is used. Rask said people have families and lots of item to store and two or three cars. Rask asked why we can't attach some of these Zoning Districts to the Ordinance on Accessory Buildings? After much discussion Swenson said maybe it is best to leave it as is until we see if we get some public reaction at the Informational Meeting. Discussion was initiated because no answer for how we should handle accessory buildings could be arrived at. Roskaft motioned to have the accessory building size be addressed according to the property size. Rask seconded the motion. (Tie the size of the accessory building into the size of the property. Motion carried with three members voting for (Koller, Roskaft, Rask) and two against (Lewis, & Wallace). Bob Kirmis next went over the Zoning Maps with the Planning Commission. He stated that for the time being we would carry on under the existing Zoning. We would rather not get into debates on Zoning, etc. It is not to say that Ag Land around #101 would not be made commercial in the future, and could be initiated by the Council. Bob went over the key to the map (See attached sheet). Kirmis said on R2A. 5A minimum district, the purpose is to allow land five acres minimum. This zoning is inappropriate for Ag. The question is, Do you want to have a 5 Acre residential district? The County does have a district with a five acre minimum lot size. The Planning Commission discussed the five acre district minimum lot size and agreed that the five acre lots would remain zoned as Ag -l. Kirmis brought up the ultimate zoning map. It would be used as a reference map for future development. It is intended to show where we are going with these districts. Swenson asked if Nashua shouldn't show straightening out on this map? Kirmis said that we are looking at a Long Range Area line change and the road can be adjusted at that time. Swenson questioned as to whether it is sound to use roads as a line for the Long Range Area? He said he would like to sere the line go forty acres on the other side of the road as well. (all around the Long Range Urban Service Area.) Discussion was had on the Immediate Service Area Boundary Line. Roskaft motioned that the line of the Urban Service Area North of Co Rd_ #39 on the West side of the City be moved 660' from Co Rd #39 to the North, and the Long Range CITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MINUTES OF 2-5-92 AT 8PM - PAGE 3 - Urban Service Area line be moved from Co Rd #37 (Old #122) to 660' South of Co Rd #37 (South side of the City) and the Long Range Urban Service Area Line on Nashua Ave NE, be moved 1320' to the West, from 660' South of 70TH Street on the South end to Wright County #39 at the North end. Rask seconded the motion. Rask brought up the line North of Co. Rd #39 and did we really want to move that line 660' to the North? Roskaft stated he would withdraw the following part ................................................ of the motion= " Roskaft motioned that the _line of the Urban Service Area North of Co Rd #39 on the West side of the City be moved 660' from Co Rd #39 to the North ". He stated that the line of Co Rd. #39 would remain the same as the Comprehensive plan shows it. Motion carried unanimously. Roskaft brought up that when the Staff makes a recommendation on a piece of property, would they please site the sections of the Ordinance in the report that pertains to it? It was agreed by the Staff. Wallace had some questions on some upcoming classes on Planning. Swenson asked if the Planning Commission is interested in these classes and asked the Council Members that were at the meeting if they would look favorably on the Planning Commission attending special classes? Mayor Freske and Roden both agreed that it is important to get further education. Wallace read what was available to the Planning Commission. They agreed on a Class at North Hennepin Community College on April 9, 1992, Thursday. All six of the Planning Commission Members wanted to attend and Rask offered to drive. Beatty was asked to arrange for the class for all six members. Freske asked for it to be added to 2/10/92 Council Agenda. No. 4 on the Agenda was taken next. It was discussion on a meeting day change. Discussion was had and it was agreed to leave the meetings on Wed. nights. Wallace motioned to adjourn the meeting. Roskaft seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously. JA R KOLLES, Secretary "'r BY: Elaine Beatty, Recording Secretary a'�3