02-19-92 PCCITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES SPECIAL
INFORMATIONAL MEETING AT VANDENBERGE JR HIGH SCHOOL IN ELK
RIVER ON ZONING ORDINANCES 2/19/92 AT 7:30PM
Chairman Swenson called the meeting to order at 7.30 PM and
gave a brief statement of how the meeting was to be run and
introduced the City Elected Official and Staff.
P.C. MEMBERS PRESENT:
CARL SWENSON, CHAIRPERSON RON BLACK (COUNCIL REP)
MARK WALLACE BRUCE RASK
ING ROSKAFT KATHY LEWIS
JIM KOLLES
COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT:
NORMAN F FRESKE, MAYOR FLOYD RODEN
DOUG LINDENFELSER LARRY FOURNIER
STAFF MEMBERS PRESENT:
JUDY HUDSON, SEC. ELAINE BEATTY, DEPUTY CLK,
JERRY OLSON, BLDG. INSP. ZONING ADM.
ROBERT KIRMIS, ASST. PLANNER DAVE LICHT, PLANNER
Swenson turned the meeting over to David Licht, City Planner.
Licht stressed this is an Informational Meeting and said
we are asking for input from the residents. In review we
can't get to detail tonight. This is a 400 page proposed
Ordinance. We will attempt to respond to your questions or
you may have to contact the City Hall, or you may be
contacted by NAC, said Licht. The reason for going thru this
effort is:
1. It was mandated by the State Municipal Board.
?. The present document is the Wright Co Ordinance.
(It is not geared to development situations).
The process needs to be completed for Zoning Ordinances. In
doing so it is not the end of the process. It will continue
as adjustments are needed. There are procedures to follow.
The Subdivision Ordinance has had two changes since it was
originally adopted (amendments). We hope the same process
will occur with the Zoning Ordinance.
Licht identified how the Ordinance was formulated. with
the draft corm first, the changes were made and subsequent
review was done and what we now have is a redraft. The next
step is a series of revisions. The last step is to handle
an,,- amondments . (any anticipated changes) .
The primary ordinance is dictated by the State Statutes.
7 -'he existing zoning is taken into account. Zoning deals with
new developments or if you have property and changing it.
The existing development. current state statutes need
updating (We attempt to keep the ordinance current). We have
regulations built into the Otsego ordinance: which protect
a%ainct adult uses.
What influenced the Otsego Ordinance:'
Comr, Ilan - Urban development recognition has not been
taken into account. in present ordinance
mracri Ui-t-,an and 'i -?Cognizes 'he
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Confinement of urbanization is also a part. Complaints are a
basis of the ordinance and call attention to things which
need to be addressed.
PUD is a technique which is presently lacking in the
regulations. It has gone thru the Process and is
incorporated into the new ordinance. Conditional Use Permit
in the Ordinance we have explicitly spelled out. Interim
uses is a means to accommodate. The ordinance attempts to
eliminate uncertainty. In the Commercial area, Commercial
use, all you were allowed to do was have a specific activity
under the County regulations. We have defined under the new
ordinance those activities which are allowed. (without
coming back for approval).
Guidelines have been provided so there is not
uncertainty. Cond. uses and interim uses are listed.
Flexibility standards listed are considered to be generally
the minimum. Variance process was followed in the past.
Another procedure is a minor variance procedure. Future
change and ad.justment is expected (we expect change to occur)
ACTUAL TEXT HIGHLIGHTS -
1) Administrative element--
2)
lements2) Application process (general performance standard)
3) Zoning Districts themselves
Administration elements have been adopted because application
procedures with Wright Co were not applicable to Otsego.
Licht went over the sections. SEC. 15 Gen Adm:
Non -conforming lots. buildings. uses and structures. We
have attempted to introduce a great deal of flexibility. It
You have a house that is non, -conforming, the Wright Co
ordinance said you can not expand. New ordinance sa„s
Cond. Use Permit you can expand as lona as you don't increase
the non -conformity. Dwelling unit restrictions are a camper
or tent can not be used as a house or living quarters.
,accessory Buildings - After lengthy discussion the text
will be changed to lboo square feet of accessory space.
( Garage and all accessory space- in yin<le family proPert•,1.
Property larger than one acre. it will be allowed based on
lot size.
Swimming Pools - Licht explained fences and what is
allowed.
Drainage plans Otceno has had !`1aJor problems in the
past. If you have a problem lot it needs to be reviewed by
the engineer.
Refuse -- Regulates storage and where it .should be
Piaced.
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of development can occur on a lot. Mobile home is not able
to be located on a lot, unless it meets UBC Codes. Unless it
is mobile home Park zoning districts. The amortization
period that Wright Co had adopted has been dropped with this
code. Model Home interim -use permit required. The present
draft indicated that any new developments have to pave
Parking lot. The ordinance does not allow the parking of
semi --vehicles in residential property, it is basically a
violation if occurring today.
Farms - No major change from current Wright Co Ord.
Animals - Hobby farm is an area of concern and domestic
animals in urbanized areas. You can have a horse in 2-1/2
aeras. Cond. Use Permit needed for animals, other than
domestic.
Home Occupations - Were allowed by the Co. and proposed
to continue. There are two categories-
1. Permitted - Office in house and Permit needs to be
obtained.
Special
Licht went over Home Extended Businesses. In A-2 District
they are allowed only with a Cond. Use Permit. (Licht went
over the rules). If the business is not approved, they need
to get an interim use permit which will be good no more than
ten years if determined acceptable. The City can zone PUD.
it is expected that the Home Extended Businesses will come
forth and be identified. Council and Planning Commission
will be given opportunity to say is this acceptable. In
residential, five year limit with a permit. if identified.
Day Care Nursery is a special home occupation license.
Interim Use - you can not Put a time limit on a Cond. Use
Permit. If you sell the house, a Cond. Use Permit doesn't go
with the property is one way to handle it. PUD - Licht went
over (Riverwood Conf Center was mentioned) Sian Regulations
We now have a poor one said Licht. We have gone into detail
and it does not allow billboards. We now have limited
signage in the City. Unless signs out there are illegal.
they will continue. ( Dar kenwald was discussed) . You need to
give everyone the same opportunity. ?ones - proposed and
existing ( Licht went over) „-1 one Per 40 split lot size ur.
to lo >tcrzs if ,you can prove a need or bad an land. R-1 is
now R-3 under the new zoning
Licht. finished goinq over the index.
:-horeland/Floodp.l_ain/ W dictated b,�,, the State and
Federal.
Licht discussed the Wild and Scenic and Commercial aroa
by ?#101 with the public.
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name and ask them to use the mike and limit the time to three
minutes. If time permits, go around again. There was a 10
minute break and reconvene at 9PM.
Licht stated that the zoning that is now in place will
sta•,' when the zoning map goes into effect.
1. WALTER J. STEINER, SR. - 8185 NE RIVER RD, He owner 54--
1/2 A. S .& E of John LeFebvres property. Has contingent
offer for area developer to be zoned into one acre lots. He
requests the Commission to grant this request.
2. WALLY O'DELL - DARKENWALD, INC_ Asked what is required
for voting? - Licht 4/5 vote to amend the text. For other
it is 3/5 vote. State law requires the amendment process to
be 4/5. He has a concern of the general sign ordinance. He
has a lot of experience with brokers and developers and
recently we have done development. I feel the sign ord. is
restrictive, there is an outlot required and a homeowners
assn. required. These are costs you don't normally run into.
Freestanding sign height. 20' limitation is very
restrictive. We feel Rogers and Elk River have speed limit
of vehicle taken into effect. I have compared standards of
this ordinance and other ordinances (for Otsego, Elk River.
and Eden Prairie). We think it sends the message this is a
tough place to do business in. Licht said flag poles are
exempt from height limitations.
JOHN ANDERSON (didn't speak)
RANDY THORENSON (didn't speak)
MERLIN BRISBIN - Wants to know what is a lawfully approved
Home Extended Business ( now) Licht said under Wright Co Ord.
which has been in affect for tun to fifteen years, a Home
Extended Business, is a Cond. Use Permit that has to be on
file on record from the Co. and meets stipulations that are
imposed. Ag/Ind./Commerc. - No limits it is what Co.
approved. If it was arnroved. it is there. Brisbin asked if
you have an employee you can have a Home Extended Business?
Licht said no. you need to read the Ord. as to how it reads.
The- drainage portion of the rules can conflict on site said
Brisbin. He asked if the City Ener . is Certified with the
,estate of Minn.. Answer Yes.
KATHRYN M CLAYTON -- ",hu is building in Island View Estates
and does she need to have a Raved drive? Licht said No. Any
new subdi'•.rsion do.
STAN SHUSTER - Asked if we have any plans for persons with
>lummy and It depletes prOpeY-t;! values. You are dealln-C,
with a code enforcemE:nt problem. Enforcement is diff i cult
._Z i_: !__ _chi.. You hat,/ -e t be r a, 3onabl•� . It ::s an expensi'...-:e
iCc ?nd "he Co has not at.tant i'. e to 'if". Zt-. ti�nds
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MR`_; DAVID PETER`:ON - r,m r l I;. c1. _ iTl<�� out ran
there for one to two hours and then he is qone. If it is
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parked on the street and left for a couple of hours it
Probably wouldn't be a problem. Most streets in the
residential areas aren't designed for 18 wheelers. If
streets need to be redesigned and paved it will be assessed
to the property owners. There is a safety problem also. We
need to look at in an individual basis.
CHRIS AND CHUCK WAKNITZ -I hear a lot of proposals and things
in the City. House next to me is completely burnt out and
lets start taking care of junk for now and work yourselves
into a Home Business. Licht said problems are recognized.
The City is in a period of transition. Licht said he had
done 75 to 100 of these plans and has never seen a community
address these things this fast. The County had the
enforcement until this last Fall. We can now start to
address it_ Licht said they should call Beatty and identify
the problems. Mr Waknitz stated he has a summertime business
and I store my vehicles from May to September on my property
in Otsego. I get my mail in Elk River and I don't see a Post
Office in Otsego.
BETTY STEINER- Stated she has a farm up for sale and have
someone interested in buying the farm. It
is restricted to 2-1/2 A. She asked about horses on this
Property. Licht said in the draft Cit; Ordinance it allows
for horses on 2-1/2 Acres. Mrs Steiner stated that they had
a family interested in the property and wanted a horse and a
cabinetmaking shop in the machine shed. She said it sounded
tame to her. Licht said under the Co.Ord. there was
,Potential for it with a Cond. Use Permit. but under the
proposed City Ord. it is not a use. Reason is that resident--
end
esidentsend up being in competition with business. Licht sited an
example and said tax base is another thing. The City needs
tax base. There is a homestead credit on the home for Home
Extended Businesses. The idea is to seperate residential
from business from her-- on out. There is a member of the
board who's family rents farmland from Steiners and she hopes-
it
opesit won't be a problem. Licht sand no.
TOM NICHOLS - ELK RIVER/ROGERS VFW REP stated that last fall
they were turned down on a community center. What is a
Butler Bldg? Licht said not a pole 21dq. A metal building
needs Nome siding. VFW has been looked upon positively from
the City's Prospective. Standards were not in writing, but
are now. Certain zoning districts require more regulations
than oth--rs .
Give Licht aall , or Beatty, R•.6 is the Zoning
r,i-oposed. 1_1cht said that's a long term and most districts
tla�. interim LASes. :anci C < rlci. Uk P; unit.:::; `01- &,:)MMunity
l_.n<1 inin� ')n 1.n it a big t�i11 and
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Beatty at City Hall).
KEITH FRANKLIN - FRANKLIN SIGN CO_ Referred to the sign
ordinance. I ask that there be billboards allowed. Tourism
is Minn. largest industry and I ask you to allow billboards
but restrict them. It is a legal form of business. I hope
you will consider allowing it on #101 if nothing else. Rask
stated that it is really the only business we are restricting
Is it legal? Licht said yes.
RANDY THORESON - Said he has a major water problem 2-1/2 to 3
miles he drove with maintenance worker to look at this
problem. This is an eyesore. It will cost me $1,000.00 to
have a dozer clean up. I have kids that play in it. The
water runs very fast there. It looks like the area has been
hit by scud missile. They wanted me to sign a 30' easement.
13477 NE 87TH ST is the address and is where he lives.
Swenson thanked all the people for coming to the
meeting. Meeting adjourned.
JAMEP R KOLLES, SECRETARY
By: Elaine Beatty, Recording Secretary
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