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08-19-92 PCCITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES OF 8/19/92 8PM - PAGE 1 - Members present were as follows: ING ROSKAFT RON SLACK -CR GENE GOENNER MARK WALLACE ARLEEN NAGEL CARL SWENSON DENNIS MC ALPINE JIM KOLLES Council present= Norman F Freske Staff present: Bob Kirmis Elaine Beatty Judy Hudson Swenson called the meeting to order at 8PM. Consideration of minutes of 8/5/92 was second agenda item. Gene Goenner motioned to approve the minutes with the following changes= On page 2 paragraph 12 change clutch to "crutch" On page 3 paragraph 3, change mobile home parks to "mobile homes". McAlpine seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously. Agenda Item #3. Michael B. Gregersen - 8591 O'Brian Ave NE PID #118-031-004011, Lot 1, Block 4 Vasseur's Oak Grove Estates. Request is for an Oversized garage larger than is allowed by the Ordinance. Swenson noted that this is a Hearing and explained how it would be conducted. He asked if the proper notices had been published, posted and mailed. Beatty answered yes. Swenson then turned it over to Kirmis who gave an overview of NAC's Report of July 17, 1992. Kirmis stated he feels this is a very positive thing as it would remove outdoor storage and would match the principal building. The property is screened. Kirmis read the six conditions on page two of NAC's Report 1-6. (see attached conditions). Swenson asked Mr. Gregersen if he wished to add any info7-mation . Mr Gregersen stated that on Page 2 of NAC's Report, item #3, the structure will be 32' wide. He is not sure they can do that. low of a roof. He had proposed a 5/12 pitch which would carry the load bearing of snow/drainage. That would create 17' high from peak to slab.(See Exhibit D on site plan evaluation). He stated that the home is a modular home and within ten years we plan on replacing it with a permanent structure. He just moved in as of October of last year. He has recently had his boat vandalized. He would like to see a standard pitch 4/12 but increased it to 5/12 because of the span. Because of the contents he will be storing in it, his car, boat and motorcycles, he doesn't want a center bearing wall inside. Swenson noted that there is no one else here on this request, but. Guy Rowe called and has no objection to Gregersens garage. The Hearing was closed at this point. Wallace asked about the garage construction. Gregersen .t i.;� l.n, 2xzcs and it would some out to exactly CITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES OF 8/19/92 8PM - PAGE 2 - 10' 4-1/2". McAlpine asked what is the code as far as the height on a wall like that. What is the code for 2x4 wall vs a 2x6 wall? Gregersen said the construction company he is dealing with has told him he can go with either 2x4 or 2x6. Wallace asked about the size of the overhang. Gregersen said he believes 18". Swenson stated that Mr. Gregersen is requesting a deviation of NAC's recommendations. Goenner asked if Gregersen can go with a 4/12 pitch instead of 5/12 will he do that? Answer is he will if he can without disturbing the building. McAlpine asked about the surrounding neighbors and are there other similar buildings? Gregersen stated there are some much larger buildings in the area and explained what is in the neighborhood. Wallace noted that this is over ordinance height. Kirmis informed the PC how the height is measured. Kirmis noted that the accessory building should be the same as the existing house. Wallace noted that with his experience in building, you can add rafters or put a metal beam in. Gregersen said all these options were considered when he set down with the lumber co., but each of them increased the cost of the building. That is why he went with the different pitch. Wallace asked if the roof is shingled. Yes was the answer. Wallace asked if the house they are planning on building is approximately the same location as the existing house now? Gregersen said it would be the same location and be a rambler with posts (ranch style) with posts in the front to fit into the country type setting, three bedroom home. The garage pitch will run E & W and the house will run the opposite way, so it will not be readily noticeable as far as the different pitch. Wallace said he does not have a problem with this. Wallace motioned to accept the Cond. Use Permit on the grounds stated in the report of NAC and along with a change in pitch of roof and the deviation of the report by NAC. (Item #3, Page 2). Goenner seconded the motion. Slack asked if it was the intent of the motion to state that the building can be constructed with the maximum pitch of 5/12 roof? Wallace said with the 5/12 roof is what he intended. Wallace restated his motion'. Wallace motioned that the the Cond. Use Permit be granted based on the conditions listed in NAC's Report, with #3, Page 2 being changed to a 5/12 roof pitch. Goenner seconded the motion. CITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES OF 8/19/92 AT 8PM - PAGE 3 - McAlpine asked if they will go with the 2X4 or 2X6 trusses? Wallace said that is standard construction. McAlpine said he is just curious on it. Motion carried unanimously. This item will be added to the Council agenda for 9/14/92. Agenda Item #4= Discussion of Street Lighting Policy and possible decision. Swenson asked Kirmis to explain. Kirmis explained that we need something in regard to Street Lighting Policies. We thought it was important that the Council take a look at these policies. Since part of the P.0 Members did not have a copy of the Draft Street Lighting Policy with them Kirmis read over the information one at a time and comments were made. #1. OK #2. Kirmis stated that Beatty and Koshak feel it should be changed to two years instead of one. Roskaft said make it two years. Goenner said leave the years off and have only 90%. Wallace asked how other Cities do it. Kirmis said it was taken from the City of Lakeville. They are all different. Black said it could be the period of time of two years or until 90% was built, whichever occurs last. Wallace said we could take the years out and drop it down to 75%. Beatty said it was being looked at as more people to spread the cost with the 900. Black's suggestion was agreed to. #3. Kirmis read and said this comes from Larry Koshak. Because we have rural section streets, wooden pole style and cobra head is appropriate. This was agreed to. #4. Kirmis read and explained "white way" is a street that is continually lit. #5. Swenson asked if the intent is to cover the street lighting with those things listed? Black said for the future, instead of Sheriff and Engineer- named, we should say appropriate law enforcement agency and street engineer instead. #6. Kirmis said maybe we should say applicable utility companies, instead of naming them. Swenson asked if that item is necessary? Black said he doesn't feel it is necessary. Goenner felt we should leave it in so we don't have a problem with it. More discussion was had on this. A vote was taken and 5 voted to leave it in and two voted to take it out. It was left in. Goenner said the word "compliance" should be eliminated. Wallace said we should leave it in. #7. This is a reiteration from the Subdivision Ordinance. It was noted that the ordinance quoted should be put in quotes. CITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES OF 8/19/92 AT 8PM - PAGE 4 - #8. Kirmis said there may be an exception on a very small subdivision where the street lighting policy may not be necessary. Black said if that is the intent I suggest the exception may be to the street lighting plan and not who pays for it. #9. Kirmis stated he feels this is important and he feels that 50% is appropriate. Wallace said the way it is worded, the property owners, etc, the Council can consider it if there is 50% of the property owners or if 75% sign it. Black questioned how subdivision is defined. Where he lives in Mississippi Shores there are 1-6 Additions. How is it defined, by plat? Kirmis said maybe we can say applicable subdivision or subdivisions? Much discussion was had. Roskaft said he is thinking as safety as a factor. Wallace suggested we change subdivision to street. Goenner said why don't we eliminate this whole thing and say residents have to show a need under public health and safety? Black said what the council will be looking for is a consensus in the neighborhood. (he explained more) Wallace said #7 and read it. If we use 900' as a basis, 50% of the neighbors within 900' of the requested light site/sights. Black said at least it ties the ordinance standard into the petition standard. Everyone agreed. #10. OK #11. OK #12. Kirmis said in response to the utility companies, this is the standard fixture and the most efficient. #13. Kirmis said it is a standard range for residential street lights. #14. Kirmis said he should note that Wright -Henn. does a lighting study for the City. Roskaft motioned to recommend this Street Lighting Policy with changes to the City Council. McAlpine seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously_ These recommendations will be brought to the Council at the September 14, 1992 Meeting. Roskaft motioned to adjourn. Nagel seconded the motion_ Motion carried unanimou��s//l��y. JAM R KOLLES, SECRETARY Minutes by Elaine Beatty, Recording Secretary eb