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09-02-92 PCCITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES OF 9/61/92 AT 8PM - PAGE 1 - Swenson called the meeting to order at 8PM. The following Members were present: RON BLACK C.R. ING ROSKAFT MARK WALLACE GENE GOENNER ARLEEN NAGEL BRUC RAS The following Staff was present: cac 2a- SW P),5orl Bob Kirmis Elaine Beatty Judy Hudson The following Council was present: Larry Fournier Roskaft motioned to approve the minutes of 8/19/92. Arleen Nagel seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously. Hearing for Ernest and Jane Davis for a Conditional Use Permit to construct a 1,440 sq ft (48X30) accessory structure on their 2.3 acre property S of 87TH and W of O'Dean Avenue. (A single family detached accessory building can not exceed 750 sq ft) The property is zoned R-2. Lot 14, Block 1, Vasseur's Oak Grove Estates. Swenson explained how the Hearing would be conducted and asked Beatty if the proper notices had been mailed, posted and published. Answer: Yes Swenson turned the meeting over to Kirmis to present NAC's Report of August 18. 1992. Kirmis noted there are several vehicles at this site. Davis noted that they are not there anymore. Kirmis read recommendations on Page 2 of NAC's report (See attached #1-8) In regards to #.5. in the past week Ms Davis has painted existing structures to match. Kirmis noted he has not gotten comments from Koshak or Radzwill's office Davis noted that all vehicles hav,e been taken out of there, except a demolition derby vehicle and the others the; have are licensed. The lot next door has evergreens and doesn't mow the area. Mrs Davis doesn't see how planting trees there would help as they would not be able to be seen. There was no one else in the audience except Councilman Larry Fournier. It was brought back to the Commission. Wallace asked about type of roof for the building. Davis answered metal roof tan the same as sidewalls. Wallace had a question for Kirmis. We have required asphalt shingled roofs and we are not allowing metal roof except in the Ag areas. Olson was allowed a pole building with a metal roof and everyone in the neighborhood has pole buildings said Davis. Goenner stated that in this particular area there have been a lot of pole buildings constructed and he feels he is seeing a pattern here. Wallace said he remembers the Olson building and the trees there hide the building. Davis disagreed. Roskaft's concern is that they can'* guarantee the n <-ihor hood will keeq tho--e CITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES OF 9//92 8PM - PAGE 2 - Black asked what is the current pitch of the roof on the principal structure? Kirmis answered he thinks it is 6/12. Black said maybe we should require more of a standard pitch than the typical pole barn. Swenson said he noticed that Kirmis Hadn't recommended the pitch. Kirmis said he did recommend it be the same as the principal structure (See Item #6). Based on the elevation it looks like a 5/12. Black said maybe we should make the requirement of the accessory structure be at a certain pitch. Swenson asked if the Ordinance does not allow a metal roof? Kirmis said building materials should be the same as the principal structure. Nagel asked if there is a reason for screening on the S and not the W side of the lot? Kirmis said because of the distance on the South is so great, it would not be required. Black commented he did drive by to look at the site and looked at Olson's buildings. It is a policy issue, but he questioned the 14' sidewalls. He has a camper and truck in this said Davis. Black said he seriously questions the 14' sidewalls in a residential area. Personally, he can understand storage space. but doesn't understand the high storage building. After discussion, Rask said he thinks 13'6" is the road clearance. Some discussion was had on height. Swenson said we should consider that there is an ongoing use for this building and should fit the residential use of this neighborhood. Rask asked if the existing building is lap siding. Kirmis said yes. Wallace has a problem with the height he stated. Ordinance says we should be in accordance with height of other structures. The house has regular shingles. She has the paint matched with the garage. She went to neighbors and got signatures that they don't have a problem with it. All the neighbors have trailers she stated. Roskaft motioned to grant a CUP upon recommendation of NAC, however the sidewalls will be 10' in height. Rask seconded the motion_ Goenner said he believes that 10' might be too small for a recreational vehicle. You need clearance. Maybe at 12' they:• would be able to have clearance. Swenson said he has a 10' door and his RV does fit in. Kirmis said there are scissor trusses which would allow you to -get larger vehicles in. Rask asked if Roskaft would add asphalt shingles for constituenc,/? Davis said neighbors are tin roof. September 23, 1992 TO: Council and Planning Commission This is a replacement Page 3 for your Page 3 of the P1_a_n_n_A._n.9. Comma.ssion Minutes of 9/2/92 at 8PM. Thanks. Elaine eb CITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES OF 9/2/92 AT 8PM - PAGE 3 - Beatty looked up the Olson Minutes for clarification. Roskaft did not accept the change. Wallace seconded the amendment for the change having roof shingled. Bruce Rask and Mark Wallace voted for the amendment. Roskaft, Goenner, Swenson and Nagel voted no. Amendment was defeated. Roskaft's motion carried with Rask and Wallace opposing it. Black said we may wish to consider amending the ordinance. Black said the Council's concern is that the Commission is addressing the Street Lighting Contract and felt they should review this. Kirmis explained he had reviewed it and does not see any conflicts. Roskaft Motioned September 16, 1992 P.C. Agenda we will add the Street Lighting Contract. Goenner seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously. Black said some issues he has: 1. Consider Cities interest 2. Consider emergency repairs to traffic control devices particularly. 3. Who will determine the location of the particular lights. 4. When units installed by utility a typical easement required. Item: 6, 7 & 3 you should pay particular attention. Please look at it from prospective of the City and what's the best interest does not necessarily consider with the drafter- of the document. The Subdivision Ordinance Amendment stipulated the City may assess applicant or landowner for unpaid fees. MacArthur drafted this document said Kirmis. Wallace motioned to set the Hearing date for October 7, 1992 at 8PM for this Amendment. Roskaft seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously. Wallace would like to see the Ordinance be changed in regards to the accessory buildings. Black explained more about asking for more than allowed by the Ordinance- It has to be constructed in the same or similar manner as the principal structure. They larger you get the higher the quality should be said Black. Swenson said one of the objections to this size building is the size. Roskaft said he didn't like the 750' accessory building. He doesn't have a problem with a pole building that is ^roperl,r, constructed. (They can be taken down). more discussion was had on acc;--ssory building: -,. aft f=lt we should havea cap in each type- of �onin n<a:-, . CITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES OF 9/2/92 AT 8PM - PAGE 4 - Cond Use Permits for accessory buildings? More discussion was had on a moratorium. Black said have commission members review the Ordinance and come with their proposed amendment. Enforcement issue maybe needs to be addressed with the Council. Black brought up that it is the City policy that the only member that is to be contacting the City Engineer, City Planner or City Attorney is the Chairman of the Planning Commission. Just a friendly reminder from the Council. Goenner asked if the members that were absent could be called to •review Section #16 of the Ordinance and write down changes as they would like to see. Roskaft motioned to Adjourn the meeting. Rask seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously. James R Kolles, Secretary By: Elaine Beatty, Recording Secretary