03-19-93 PCCITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES OF MARCH
3, 1993 AT SPM - PAGE 1 - (PG 1 REVISED 3/19/93 EB)
Chair Swenson called the meeting to order at 8PM. The
following Planning Commission Members were present:
CARL SWENSON DENNIS MC ALPINE MARK WALLACE
BRUCE RASK EUGENE GOENNER ARLEEN NAGEL-ALT
RON BLACK -CR ING ROSKAFT JIM KOLLES
The Following Council Members were present:
LARRY FOURNIER, NORMAN F FRESKE, MAYOR, DOUGLAS LINDENFELSER
The Following Staff was present:
Bob Kirmis, Elaine Beatty, Judy Hudson
The Minutes of February 17, 1993 was motioned to approve
by Rask. Roskaft seconded the motion. Wallace brought up
that he is the Secretary now. Motion carried unanimously
with the change of Secretary.
3. HEARING on consideration of a Zoning Ordinance
Amendment which would delete Section 20-17-11.0 of the Zoning
Ordinance pertaining to the guidelines for single family home
construction within the City's mobile home subdivisions.
Essentially, the amendment will require all single family
homes, except those in the R -MH District, to adhere to the
same performance standards (i.e., perimeter foundations,
minimum dimensional requirements, etc.).
Swenson explained how the Hearing would be conducted.
Kirmis gave the Staff Report of NAC of January 14, 1993 and
explained that the Amendment would require all single family
dwellings except in mobile home parks to adhere to the same
dwelling standards and gave the background in which the
Otsego Building Inspector questioned a foundation
requirement. Currently there is no requirement for a
permanent foundation for mobile homes. This was brought to
the Planning Commission and Council and it was decided that
all buildings would have to adhere to the same standards.
Wright County Zoning Ordinance Page 160 required a minimum
width of 24' prior to the adoption of our ordinance. The
minimum width was in place with the Wright County Ordinance
previously.
Swenson asked Beatty if the proper notices had been
posted and published. Beatty answered yes.
Swenson asked the audience if there were any comments.
MARTI CARROLL of Vasseur's Addition:
Stated that this is a strong impact on us. We want to
replace our elderly mobile home this year with a single wide.
We bought in Vasseur's intending to do that. Budget wise,
this limits me. The cost difference and monthly payments are
double. Perimeter foundation, I don't understand. Frost
footings are what most mobile homes call for. Just the
footings was $1,500.00 on a double wide, above and beyond the
cost of the home, etc. It puts it more out of reach for us.
I'm concerned that I am not going to be able to purchase a
home.
ARLEEN NAGEL:_ Listening to Marti, there are probably many
more people that are in similar financial situations.
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If there was a fire or storm, would they have to replace it
with a double wide?
Kirmis answered, yes, or stick built.
MARTI CARROLL:
Most of the double wides come with 8" overhang. Kirmis said
he didn't know what the overhang is on a double wide.
Swenson asked if anyone else wished to speak. No one
did so. The Hearing was closed and it was brought back to
the Planning Commission.
Swenson said that a couple of issues had been brought up
and if a typical mobile home has 8" gutters, would it be
appropriate to change that requirement?
Kirmis said yes.
Rask said if we reduce it to 8" overhang will we be hit
next week with something else?
Jerry Olson, City Building Inspector discussed the
overhang situation with Kirmis and the other people and said
it is still an open question. He said he has seen some salt
box style homes with no overhang. You might want to discuss
it a little more.
Goenner said the reason we are going through and
amending this is because the order is in conflict.
Olson asked if the same rules would apply as in other
developments?
Wallace asked why would Riverbend be separated? Answer=
It is zoned Mobile Home Park single wide. It is separate.
Roskaft - discussed if Vasseur's or others were set
aside for mobile home lots. It was stated that you could
build anything at the time that was done.
Wallace said that the reason we are looking at it is we
are going to be looking at it as the existing stick built
homes.
Beatty, said that this overhang issue was brought up at
another Planning Commission meeting and the Planning
Commission decided to leave this as is.
Marti Carroll said that an overhang won't rule me out.
I can't afford a double wide. I bought land that was zoned
for this specific type of housing.
Kirmis said that Wright County prohibits single wide
homes. It dosen't mean you can't have a stick built.
Swenson said that the Planning Commission needs to make
a decision.
Wallace said in interest of the City and the other home
owners the foundation should be required.
Wallace motioned that we accept this with the
requirement that the overhang be dropped to 8"_ Rask
seconded the motion_
Rask asked why did you throw in the overhang? More
was hi: -id on this.
oenner :-:load Olson. Ol�-:on said that that the=re �<�
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been some double wides moved in. It is possible to get 12"
overhangs.
Wallace changed his motion to not include the 8" overhang
change. Rask seconded the change. Motion carried
unanimously.
Black brought up page 160 of Wright County's Ordinance.
Alternative roof styles may be approved by the Building
Inspector based on generally accepted conditions, practices,
building codes, etc.
Olson said he feels he wouldn't want to make those
decisions.
Swenson said he felt the consensus was to leave the
motion as is.
This will be put on the Council Agenda of 3/22/93.
HEARING for Steven and Lisa Valerius for a Conditional Use
Permit to allow a relocated single family residence to lie
upon an existing lot of record within the City. (Relocate a
stick built single family residence with two stall attached
garage upon Lot 17, Block 3, Walesch Estates 2ND Addition).
Swenson noted that the same procedure will be used for
this Hearing.
Kirmis gave a report on NAC's Report of Feb. 23, 1993.
He said that the focus is for extra storage for the attached
garage which comes with the house and is not a proposed
accessory building alone. We believe that there is a need
for the extra storage space. It is attached to the primary
dwelling and has the same roof pitch. The exterior must be
similar to the home or existing accessory building. He
stated that they view this request as highly positive and an
upgrade of the property. He stated that there was an
addendum provided to the report. He said that there are two
curb cuts there and grandfathered in. He said that the
existing building and the existing garage are at opposite
ends of the property. NAC has recommended= 1. Conditional
use permit to allow the combination of a detached accessory
structure and attached garage to exceed 1,500 square feet
subject to the following conditions:
a. The detached accessory structure and attached garage
are not to be utilized for commercial or home occupation
activities.
b. The relocated residence or existing accessory
building is painted so that the two structures match color.
C. Comments from other City Staff.
2. Conditional use permit to allow the requested building
relocation subject to the following conditions:
a. The relocated residence comply with the applicable
requirements of the State Building Code. This item
should be subject to comment by the City Building Inspector.
b. The City Engineer provide comment in regard to
di -a i.n.a �, ant.:., utility easement establishment.
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c. The subject property is landscaped using ornamental
grass, shrubs, trees, or other acceptable vegetation by 1,
July, 1993.
d. The City Engineer provide comment and/or
recommendation in regard to sewage treatment.
e. The existing manufactured home is removed from the
subject site within 30 days of the issuance of an occupancy
permit for the relocated structure.
f. The relocated structure is ready for occupancy
within six months from the date of location on the site.
g. The applicants provide proof to the City that the
house move is preformed by a licensed mover in accordance
with applicable State requirements.
i. The applicants notify the City of the route and
exact timing of the move and subject to Zoning
Administrator's approval.
j. A performance security is posted in an amount
determined appropriate by the Zoning Administrator. The
security should be reflective of anticipated improvement
costs (i.e., foundation work, landscaping, well, sewage
treatment system).
k. Comments from other City Staff.
Kirmis stated that the recommendation from the City
Engineer was that the soil drain towards the street level and
that the septic system be reviewed.
Swenson asked Beatty if the proper notices and
publishing had been made. Beatty answered yes.
Lisa Valerius asked if it is her understanding that the
second driveway didn't have a a culvert or drainage? Because
it does have.
Swenson asked if anyone else wished to be heard? There
was none and the Hearing was at this point closed and brought
back to the Planning Commission.
Goenner asked how many square foot is the house? 28X32
the house 896 Sq feet plus 12X12 breezway of 144 square feet
for a total of 1040 square feet.
Roskaft motioned that the Conditional Use Permit to
allow an excess accessory space to exceed 1,500 square feet
be allowed subject to the conditions of NAC's Report of
February 23, 1993 and the addendum thereto dated February 24,
1993. Goenner seconded the motion. Motion carried
unanimously.
Goenner motioned to approve a Conditional Use Permit to
allow the requested building relocation subject to the
conditions of NAC's Report of February 23, 1993 and the
addendum there dated February 24, 1993. McAlpine seconded
the motion.
Goenner Amended his motion to include Hakanson
Anderson's recommendations to allow sewage and drainage
of scribed above. Wallace seconded the amendment
Motion carried unanimously. Thic i; 111 h,,, on _,'3/0-1, Coui� i1
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5. HEARING for Robert and Mary Hosford for a Conditional Use
Permit to allow a relocated single family residence to lie
upon an existing lot of record within the City. (Relocate a
stick built home upon Lot 5, Block 1, Riverside Evergreens
Second Addition which currently lies vacant).
Swenson noted that the applicant is not here and the
applicant had not put money down on the home and someone else
had bought the home and he suggested that we continue this
Hearing until April 7, 1993 to see if he has found a home.
Roskaft motioned to continue the Hearing to April 7,
1993 Planning Commission meeting at 8PM. Wallace seconded
the motion.
Black felt that it should only be continued for one
month.
Swenson felt that they could continue this for two
months.
Black felt that the longer it is dragged on, the more
staff time it takes. He felt a deadline should be put on it.
Swenson asked for any comments.
Roskaft felt we can act on the 7th of April, 1993.
Swenson said Black requested to make a 30 day deadline
on it.
Black .said this appeared before the City Council a
meeting or two ago and the applicant was most unhappy when he
was told that he must start at the Planning Commission.
Roskaft discussed talking with Mr. Hosford on a move in
home.
Roskaft amended his motion to continue the Hearing to
April 7, 1993 and Beatty would notify Mr. Hosford that it
will not be extended beyond that date. Wallace seconded the
amendment. Amendment carried unanimously.
Discussion of review of the first sections of Wright
County Water Management Plan was had.
Swenson said we have the rest of the plan. There is a
lot of data in the plan and the book will be available at the
City Hall and recommend that members stop in and glance thru
the plan.
Part II= Should be reviewed and read before we discuss
Hakanson Andersons report. It will be copied and put in P.C.
boxes. P.C. should review before next meeting.
Other Planning Commission Business= Elk River is
planning May 13, 1993 as a Planning meeting. Swenson said
this should be worthwhile if you can squeeze it in.
Black said that the City Council took up the proposed
Accessory Use for Buildings. The Council does not feel there
is a reason to revise the Ordinance at this time.
Roskaft motioned to adjourn the meeting. McAlpine
seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously.
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MARL; WALLACE. SE ETARY BY- ELaine Beatty/Recording Sec.