08-04-93 PCCITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES OF AUGUST
4, 1993 AT 8PM - PAGE 1 -
Chai;- Carl Swenson called the meeting to order atSPM. The,
following Commission Members were present:
CARL SWENSON GENE GOENNER MARK WALLACE
BRUCE RASK ING ROSKAFT ARLEEN NAGEL/ALT
RON BLACK/CR
The following staff members were present:
BOB KIRMIS, NAC ELAINE BEATTY, DEPUTY CLERK/ZONING ADM.
AGENDA ITEM #2: Consideration of Minutes of 7/21/93
Wallace motioned to approve the minutes of July 21, 1993
as printed. Nagel seconded the motion. Motion carried
unanimously.
AGENDA ITEM #3= HEARING FOR JOHN C AND CYNTHIA POLLARI, 8440
Packard Avenue NE, OtsegoI kNGroveOEstates #1ST Add.001020 Request
Lot 2, Block 1, Vasseurs O
is for a Conditional Use Permit to move in a mobile home per
Otsego's City Ordinances.
Swenson explained the Hearing process and how it is
done. He asked if the proper notices had been posted,
Published and mailed. Beatty answered yes.
<irmis explained NAC's report of July 220. 1993 for
pollari's. NAC recommends approval with ten conditions.
Kirmis read the ten conditions from Pages 2 and 3 of rl(-',C "•
Report, He stated that we had not received comment from
either the Engineer or Attorney. Swenson read a note from
Terry Ruschmeier who is in favor of the move -[n mobile. hom,
He asked it anyone wished to be heard? No one did and the
Hearing was closed. It was brought back to the Planning
i.-ommission. Goenner asked if this is a new or existin ; home'.'
<..irmis answe)-ed it was constructed in 1984 and it
existing.
GOENNER Motioned to adopt the Conditional Use Permit for
the move -in mobile home, subject to the 10 -conditions in
NAC's Report of July 20. 1993. Wallace seconded the motion.
Motion carried unanimously.
THIS WILL BE ON THE COUNCIL AGENDA OF 8/9/93
AGENDA ITEM #4= HEARING FOR DENNIS HAVEL, 10415 Cain Road,
Rogers. Minnesota, 55374 PID #118-500-174300, property is
located on Nashua Avenue South of County Road #39. Request
is for Rezoning from A-1 AG to A-2 (4 per 40) per Otsego
City Ordinance_
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Swenson asked if anyone wished to be heard for or
againct this requested rezoning. No one did so the Hearin;
was closed and it was brought back to the Planning
Commission.
RASK motioned to allow A-2 Rezoning from A-1 zoning as
per NAC's Report of July 20, 1993. Nagel seconded the
motion.
Goenner noted that he supports the motion for rezoning
from A-•1 to A-2 because it is considered a marginal ag land.
Motion carried unanimously.
THIS WILL BE ON COUNCIL AGENDA OF 8/9/93
AGENDA ITEM NO. 5= HEARING FOR RUDY THIBODEAU OF MINN-E-
GOLF, 9100 Park Avenue NE, Otsego, MN 55330, Mississippi
Shores 6TH Addition. Request is for a Variance for building
material for a building per Otsego's City Ordinances.
Kirmis explained NAC's Report of July 21, 1993. He
stated that due to financial problems he has not been able t.<.
follow thru with his original plan (Thibodeau) Mr Thibodeau
wants a 13,000 square foot steel sided structure. (See Page
#1 of NAC's Report) The property is zoned B-3 (General
Business). Kirmis explained that a steel building is not
permitted unless it is 501, sided or brick or etc. A steel
building would require a variance. (See Pg 2 of NAC's Report
Re= Variance Review Criteria). NAC does not feel there
justification for this Variance. They have recommended
denial.
Swenson opened the Hearing to the public,
RUDY THIBODEAU ._. Handed out material to walk thru with
Commission. (Minn -E -Golf and Hobby Expansion) See attached
Exhibit A. He explained community identity, and he is
willing to do the front of the building in brick. If the
steel building with the brick front doesn't work he wishes to
go to plan 2. Rudy Thibodeau explained that this is the last
building lot in the district and all of the buildings, except'
for Tom Thumb are steel. Rudy talked about the romp plan and
land use goals. He would like to go forward with plan I and
put up batting cages in the spring and go forward with the
building as economics allow.
DR DAVID GILGENBACH - Of the Vet Clinic next to Minn -E -
Golf spoke. He wantod to clarif=y the building he has.
incorporated steel in his design to blend with the steel
1 l._li1.clin"::- in the area. The We:,t side of the building is
st-1-el and they have a buildable lot on the North side if
'.Incl COmc?S L11, they plan t0 build anotht?T
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begets the ule.
KAREN GILGENBACH - Co -Owner of the Vet Clinic. She stated
that ;you set a standard when the exception becomes the rul:_ .
We hope to expand on our other lot. I feel in favor of
�ti ::inn to Plannin:n and Building regulations now. We want
to be promoted for new businesses in the City. We want it to
grow. People .are very : ware of how something looks b tor:
the -y come to a community. They look at what already exists.
I think it is for the betterment of the City. Thibodeau 's
have conversed with us and I am excited. but .you have to
weigh the consequences.
Swenson asked if anyone else wished to be heard? ilo one
did so the Hearing was closed and it was brought back to thf::
Planning Commission. Swenson asked if the Planning
Commission had any questions of the Staff or Mr Thibodeau?
Wallace Asked Mr Thibodeau if he had considered using
wood or brick around the structure? He was told it would b�
acceptable to stucco the building. Thibodeau said he is
willing to consider that. Wallace said he understands Mr-
Thibodeau's concerns. but didn't feel we can grant a-..arianc3
based on economics. He felt there was another way to build
that building. He :encouraged Mr Thibodeau to do that.
Wallace Motioned to deny the variance as per conditions
in NAC'S report of July 21, 1993. Arleen Nagel seconded the
motion -
,',,,ask _ Asked if it is a normal procedure. being t;iere
a buildable lot for sale. in the PUG it doesn't allow it.
,jithout a variance-, (being the County set the precedent)
Kirmis - Mr Thibodeau proposal, unfortunately happened
at the time we were changing from the County to the Cit's/.
r<a,-- k Not ,one of those buildings would be here today if
they had to uphold the standards of today. Are we aver going
to get someone c,o build on that lot'.,,
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're have to start somewhere. The City has
adopted this building standard and I think we should adh rr:
to it or change the Ordinance.
Wallac ; - Right acro3s the street We could h :eve .. dom ono
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1__t. Economically, lly, eeryone would want to build a -steel
buiIdirr:g as it is m e c o n o mi c al.
Swenson -- Later on in the Agenda we are addressing the
t}--t.ird Industrial Area which would be less expensive
buiIdin-.s. ;nv further discus^ion^
Motion carried with Wallace, Swenson, Roskaft and Navel
being in favor and Goenner and Rask opposed.
Mr" T hii:)�1-,(-! -'31i Vii_ Ile Will rrOC E: 01 i With PlZln II-
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I.This item will be on the 8/9/93 Council Meeting Agenda
AGENDA ITEM -f#6' CONS• IDER INITIATING A HEARING FOR ONE PER
FORTY SPLIT AMENDMENT TO OTSEGO'S ORDINANCE_
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contiguous 40 acres"). No. ? was added, (Add " or
contiguous 40 acres") .
Kirmis stated that this is an issue that the Staff and
Council feels needs a clarification. Kirmis asked for an
initiating of a public hearings.
Roskaft stated he didn't like the transfer of one 40 to
another 40. Discussion was had.
Goenner - Would like to see the two houses in a clust r
changed, because we are penalizing the farmer that has more
land. It looks allot better if we don't have two houses herr
and two houses there. He would like to see more than two
houses together.
Kirmis - The intent of that stipulation is to avoid the
:situation of four property owners at one intersection. With
allot of properties like that. it becomes urban in character.
Roskaft _- Should we study this more?
Black - We should take a look at what are we talking
about'..' How many 40's does this impact on? How many houses
are we talking about? We should have an idea of impact.
The Commission asked Kirmis to come back with background
information on this. Kirmis will provide the Commission with
information on the cluster issue. (How many 40's are left
AGENDA ITEM #7' DISCUSS THIRD INDUSTRIAL SITE FOR OTSEGO.
Swenson - Asked how the Planning Commission wished to
proceed?
Roskaft - said he served on the Committee with Black and
Fournier. We drove around looking at areas. We recommended
to the Council. Unless we use condemnation, or we find an
area that already has a bunch of Home Extended Businesses
now, it is hard to recommend anyplace else.
Swenson - Felt we should identify criteria and .select
the site without talking to owners. The Committee should
hash out r_rite-i-i.i and tall- to the Council of where we should
consider the site t,,Jithout talking to the owners.
Black - The Planning Commission and EDA Advisory should
pick the third Industrial Site that is referenced in the Land
(ice Plan. HE afiret d with Car' Swenson on not knowing the
land owners or contacting them. Willingness to sell should
n�-t the factor we discuss now. He explained further.
Swenson suggested .x sub -committee Planning Commission
Memb -.-, Chair and two members or three of EDA Advisory
Commission.
Ra.sir, - We recommended arae "c'" lac.t. tim'e'.
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The direction from the Council is hav<� the EDA
^;ca.; i_r�r Commi._sion and. Planners gettogether and u-cide
the thiT-c! inauct;-ia.l :ite .should be. More dis.u3_,i01
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Heidner -- September 15th, 1993 is when the relocation is
to be completed.
It was noted that if the Commission members were picked
tonight they could attend the EDA Advisory Meeting next
Wednesday.
The following Sub --Committee of Planning Commission
Members was picked:
MARK WALLACE - CHAIR BRUCE RASK
GENE GOENNER ING ROSKAFT
'� was noted that the Commission Sub -Committee would attend
the EDA Advisory Commission Meeting of next Wednesday.
Wallace motioned to have a Special Planning Commission
Meeting on 8/11/93, Wednesday at 7PM. Goenner seconded the
motion. Motion carried unanimo sly.
d.
MARK WALLACE. SECRET'RY
MINUTES BY, Elaine Beatty, Recording Secretary
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