04-06-94 PCCITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
IN THE CITY OF OTSEGO, COUNTY OF WRIGHT, MN
REGULAR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
April 6, 1994 - 8:00PM
CITY HALL
1 CHAIR SWENSON WILL CALL TO ORDER:
Chair Swenson Called the meeting to order at 8PM
ROLL CALL:
ING ROSKAFT GENE GOENNER MARK WALLACE BRUCE RASK
CARL SWENSON JIM KOLLES ARLEEN NAGEL/ALT
DENNIS MC ALPINE (WAS ILL) RON BLACK/CR (LATE -SP WORKSHOP)
The following Staff was present:
Bob Kirmis Judy Hudson Elaine Beatty - Late, because of Special Workshop Meeting
2. CONSIDERATION OF THE MINUTES OF 3/16/94:
ING ROSKAFT MOTIONED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF 3/16/94 AS
PRINTED. ARLEEN NAGEL SECONDED THE MOTION. :NOTION CARRIED
UNANIMOUSLY.
3. DISCUSS POSSIBLE INS ZONING DISTRICT CHANGE:
Park and Rec. Use is a CUP for the INS Zone. Bruce Rask wanted Mr Kirmis to review
his memo on the same. (He went over NAC's Memo) He said our Ordinance is
inconsistent. NAC is proposing alternatives 1,2,3 and 4. NAC feels there is a potential
for adverse conditions for a park conditional use permit, for every district that is allowed.
Carl Swenson said the Parks Department is asking for dollars instead of the land for
parks because they have land and need money to develop. The two developments that
have gone in recently are adjacent to a park.
Gene Goenner asked if in the future if you take the land instead of the money, would the
land become City property and would it have to be rezoned?
Mr Kirmis said parks are a permitted use in a Residential Zone. More discussion was
had on the issue.
Carl Swenson said he felt if the Park was a high risk development, then #3 would be
good, but he didn't see that kind of a problem and we would be getting too many CUP's.
Mark Wallace was concerned about the CUP, and said the neighbors could vote it out,
and cause hardship for others not being able to use it. He stated he didn't like that kind of
power being put into neighborhoods.
Ing Roskaft agreed with Gene Goenner. He is concerned that parks are prohibited in
Industrial and Commercial areas.
Bob Kirmis said many larger businesses may incorporate play areas, but it would be for
private, rather than public use.
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Carl Swenson said if we are only talking INS Zoning, we should remove the CUP for
Parks.
Bruce Rask felt we shouldn't have to go through a CUP for Parks. He would have been in
favor of the CUP before the Park and Recs Commission was formed.
MARK WALLACE MOTIONED TO RECOMMEND ##4 OF NAC'S REPORT,
BUT TO INCLUDE THE AG ZONING. BRUCE RASK SECONDED THE
MOTION. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
ING ROSKAFT MOTIONED TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING ON THE
RECOMMENDATION TO THE CHANGE IN THE ORDINANCE REGARDING
THE CUP FOR PARKS AND RECS.. BRUCE RASK SECONDED THE
MOTION. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
IN REGARDS TO DAYCARES/PRESCHOOLS:
A certain number of daycares are permitted in an residential area. The City cannot do
anything about that. The nurseries are similar to preschool. Nurseries are regulated by
the State in that regard. They are of a different nature than preschools. We would
suggest making preschool a Conditional Use rather than a permitted use. It would give
the Commission an opportunity to review and make sure the appropriate safeguards are
built in. You don't see any private, for profit elementary schools, but you see the same
for preschools.
ING ROSKAFT MOTIONED THAT THE PRESCHOOLS AND ETC. BE MADE
A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE INS DISTRICT. GENE GOENNER
SECONDED THE MOTION. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Bob Kirmis wanted to bring this back for discussion prior to setting a Public Hearing. He
will prepare a suggested amendment. Discussion will be scheduled for May 18, 1993_
4 DISCUSS JOAN ROEBECK AND POSSIBLE SITE INSPECTION OF HIS
PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING PROPERTIES TO BE CONSIDERED AT
THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OF 4/20/94. (SEE DECEMBER 23,
1993 MEMO FROM NAC ON ROBECK)
Ron Black suggested Bob Kirmis write a document stating what has happened to the
properties in that area. A map of the area as to what has transpired in the past.
The Planning Commission will meet on 4/16/94 for a SITE INSPECTION AT 10:30AM
Bob Kirmis has already written a Memo of December 23, 1993. Discussion was had on
the area.
5. ANY OTHER PLANNING COMMISSION BUSINESS
The Third Industrial Site public hearing will be scheduled for May 4,1994 at 8PM
and be last on the agenda.
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Concerning changes in the Ordinances Mr Rask brought up he would like to take a look
at the Wild and Scenic Minimum.lot size and reduce from 2-1/2 to 2. We increased it to
co-operate with the DNR We didn't get much co-operation It is high buck land and
makes it more tax base for Otsego 2 acres should be a sufficient amount for sewer
systems In the near future it is harder to reduce lot size. Mark felt it is better to do it
now. It's not fair to penalize those residents It will bring a lot more money into the City -
Bob Kinnis said he can provide the basis where the 2-1/2 arces came from It was to
demonstrate to the DNR that Otsego cares about the river It is somewhat a trade off to
get the commercial area to the W of 101. R-1 would be the base zoning and the W&S
would overlay that If the W&S changes the R1 would also have to be changed Gene
wondered if this isn't finalized as far as the DNR Bruce Rask said the DNR is not Paying
his taxes They drug their feet for two years. More discussion was had. Ing Roskaft felt
that we didn't make it 2-1/2 acres to make the DNR happy. Rask said they swung his
vote. Rask made a prediction of $4,000.00 loss for every 2-1/2 acres. Carl Swenson said
Ing Roskaft said we went to 2-1/2 acres for planning purposes rather than Sandy Fecht.
We will allow 1 per 40 in AG land. We will allow 1 acre to 10 acres - developers choice.
In the A-2 Dist we will allow 4 per 40. We will only allow 2-1/2 acres along the river. 4
per 40 protects the density of development. I feel it is a bad size lot, can't take care of it
and it is hard to divide. If we are talking planning principals we can put 1 to 2 acres and
put 2 acres in the overlay district. The density of development is the thing that threatens
us. We won't allow more that 1 house for 10 acres. Bob Kinnis explained the zoning of
those areas and uniform lot sizes.
Mark Wallace agreed that 2-1/2 acres is too large and he talked about upkeep. Ing
Roskaft said they moved out here to be in the country. Much more discussion was had.
Mr Black felt the Commission could better spend their money elsewhere than discussing
Wild and Scenic. If there was a proposed change at this point it would take the whole
process all over again. He strongly recommends that they get the OK from the City
Council. Bruce Rask brought up more information. Carl Swenson said he was disturbed
by this recommendation. Mr. Roskaft wanted to get the agreement signed first, and then
if we want to go ahead with the other we can. Mr. Rask said this was brought up by the
land owners on the river. Mr Black felt this was premature.
ING ROSKAFT MOTIONED TO TABLE THIS ITEM ON THE WILD AND
SCENIC
UNTIL WE GET SOME DIRECTION FROM THE COUNCIL. BRUCE RASK
SECONDED THE MOTION. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
6. ADJOURN.
ING ROSKAFT MOTIONED TO ADJOURN. BRUCE RASK SECONDED THE
MOTION. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
GENE•„GOENNER, SECRETARY
MINUTES BY: ELAINE BEATTY, RECORDING SECRETARY