10-18-04 PCOTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION
OCTOBER 18, 2004
7 P
OTSEGO CITY HALL
1. Chair Nichols will call the meeting to order.
Chair Nichols called the meeting to order at 7:06 PM.
Roll Call: Chair Richard Nichols; Commission Members: Steve Schuck, Doug
Hackman, Tammie Fallon, Jim Kolles, and alternate Troy Watring.
Absent: Dave Thompson, Pam Black and Tom Darkenwald.
Staff: Judy Hudson, City Clerk/Zoning Administrator; Karee Rowell, Deputy Clerk; Dan
Licht, City Planner.
City Council: Mayor Larry Fournier, Vern Heidner, Jerry Struthers and Virginia Wendel.
2. Consider the followini minutes:
2.1. September 20, 2004 Planning Commission Meeting.
Commissioner Schuck motioned to approve the Planning Commission meeting
minutes of September 20, 2004. Seconded by Commissioner Hackman. All in
favor. Motion carried.
3. Plannins Items:
PUBLIC HEARINGS:
3.1. T -Mobile USA:
A. Consider revocation of the CUP to locate wireless communications
antennas upon an existing communications tower.
Continuation from September 20, 2004 Planning Commission Meeting. Dan Licht
updated the Commission and will bring this back to the November 15, 2004 meeting.
Chair Nichols motioned to table to the November 15, 2004 Planning Commission
Meeting. Seconded by Commissioner Schuck. All in favor. Motion carried.
3.2. Holidgy Gas Station:
A. PUD Amendment to allow outside sales and display.
Dan Licht presented the Planner's Report of October 12, 2004.
Chair Nichols opened the Public Hearing at 7:13 PM.
Hearing no comments, Chair Nichols closed the Public Hearing at 7;15 PM.
Commissioner Hackman mentioned the deli seems to have table and chairs. Dan Licht
said he would look into it. Dan Licht stated the public hearing will be November 15,
2004.
Commissioner Schuck motioned to schedule a public hearing. Seconded by
Commissioner Fallon. All in favor. Motion carried.
3.3. Brad Paumen's annlication for Norin's Landins:
A. Rezone property from A-1 to R -C Rural Cluster
Development.
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Dan Licht presented the Planner's Report.
Planning Commission Meeting of October 18, 2004. Page 2
Brad Paumen gave a brief analysis of the type of development he wants. Mr. Paumen
said they are downsizing the pool and would like to mining to start as soon as possible.
Chair Nichols opened the Public Hearing at 7:34 PM.
Jeff LaTour, 10401 Kadler Avenue NE - stated that he wants Outlot D as a buffer. He
would like to know about the trail that will go through his property and that he is working
with Brad Paumen.
Mike Billiard, 10191 James Avenue NE. - questioned the signs for one acre lots on the
river being up, when the development hasn't even been approved. Jim Krystosek with
Alpine Homes apologized and said the sign was put up prematurely and they will be
taken down right away.
Cheri Affeldt, 10050 Kahler Ave NE - was concerned about the environment and if
studies were done. Dan Licht answered the water shed study had been done. Cheri
Affeldt asked about the water in the ground for the golf courses. Dan Licht said the
Vintage and Riverwood National golf courses impact to ground water was looked into.
She asked was if the Lake and trail will be public. Lake private, trail public.
Brad Paumen, Norin's Landing - They have gone down over 300 feet for water and
fountains will be added to keep the water from getting stagnate.
Sharon Carter, 9466 Nashua Avenue - asked who will own the pond and will the city
have to maintain it. Dan Licht said the Homeowners' Association will own it.
Jeff Latour, 10401 Kadler Avenue NE - asked if the Association plans were already
drawn up. Dan Licht answered that it will be brought up when the Developer's
Agreement is done. Dan Licht asked Scott Dahlke to explain how the pool liner will
work. Commissioner Hackman wanted to know what will filter the vegetation from
growing in the pond.
Shawn Nelson, 10400 Kadler Avenue NE - is concerned about the trucks that backup in
his driveway.
Jeff Latour, 10401 Kadler Avenue NE - asked when there will be information about the
trail that goes into his property.
Mike Billiard, 10191 James Avenue NE - asked where the swimming beach will be.
Brad Paumen showed the area where the beach will be.
Mike Craig, 10195 James Avenue NE - asked about landscaping.
Sharon Carter, 9466 Nashua Avenue NE - said it should be a gated community, so it will
be safe for the neighborhood.
After no more comments, Chair Nichols closed the Public Hearing at 8:14 PM.
Councilmember Heidner brought up that if there is any speeding from trucks that the City
has the right to pull the CUP.
Commissioner Hackman motioned to approve a Zoning Map amendment rezoning
the subject site from A-1 District to R -C District based on a finding that the request
is consistent with the Comprehensive Plan. Seconded by Commissioner Kolles. All
in favor. Motion carried.
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B. Preliminary Plat PUD -CUP for development of 18 single family Lots.
Dan Licht reworded one of the conditions (3.) Outlots B and C shall be owned and
maintained by the Homeowners Association and be overlaid by drainage and utility
easements and by conservation easements restricting their use to open and outdoor
activities.
Commissioner Schuck motioned to approve PUD -CUP and Preliminary Plat for
Norin's Landing, subject to the six conditions with amended number 3 and the final
plat to be reviewed by the Planning Commission. Seconded by Commissioner
Fallon. All in favor. Motion carried.
C. Conditional Use Permit (CUP) for Private Recreation Facility.
Commissioner Hackman motioned to approve a CUP for a private neighborhood
recreation facility within Outlot C of Norin Landing, subject to the three conditions.
Seconded by Commissioner Schuck. All in favor. Motion carried.
D. Conditional Use Permit (CUP) to allow mining for excavation of
materials to create a 6.74 acre pond.
Commissioner Schuck motioned to approve a CUP to allow mining in accordance
with the Norin's Landing Grading Plan subject to the four conditions with the
modification on item four with the restrictions that would be attached about the
speeding. Seconded by Commissioner Fallon. All in favor. Motion carried.
01 3.4. Robert Fields application:
A. Conditional Use Permit for a multi tenant automotive and
retail center (former Tom Thumb Site).
Dan Licht presented his Planner's Report.
Chair Nichols opened the Public Hearing at 8:34 PM.
Rudy Thibodeau, 9100 Park Avenue NE, stated he is very upset and that the city should
arrange a meeting for all five business's owners get together and talk about the special
assessments. He thinks the special assessments should be figured out before any approval
is given for the Tom Thumb site.
Joel Kolles, 8925 Mason Avenue NE - Read a letter from Dr. & Mrs. David Gilgenbach
at 15670 90th Street NE who were unable to come to the meeting.
Robert Reichardt, 14525 891h Street NE - We do not need a Goodyear Store because there
is already one in Elk River and in Rogers, we do not need another Target Store because
there is already one in Elk River and Rogers.
Dan Licht said the zoning lists the type of usage that can go there; the city has no
authority to limit the type of commercial businesses that go in. Chair Nichols asked
about the access to the businesses and possibly closing the road and turning it into a
parking lot. Dan Licht said they would have the ability to drive through the parking lot
because it is wide enough.
Chair Nichols motioned for continuation of Public Hearing to November 15, 2004.
Seconded by Commissioner Hackman. All in favor. Motion carried.
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3.5. Otsego Heritage Commission:
A. Consideration of designating the McDonald/Peavey House
as a Heritage Preservation Site.
Dan Licht presented the Planner's Report. Chair Nichols asked Judy Hudson, City Clerk
if everything was posted. Judy Hudson answered everything is posted.
Chair Nichols opened the Public Hearing at 8:47 PM.
Tom Carter, 9466 Nashua Avenue NE - He is very much in favor of this to be a Heritage
Preservation site.
Adair Rosenow, 13630 96th Street NE - He met Florence Peavey and she told him of the
memories, history and stories of her home in Otsego.
Arlene Holen, 14182 96th Street NE - said it is so important to keep some of the historical
homes. She regrets they were unable to keep the Laplant home.
Chris Wilson, 8600 Odean Avenue NE - I just want to echo what they all said.
Sharon Carter, 9466 Nashua Avenue NE - definitely agrees on holding on to the Peavey
house.
Commissioner Schuck asked how many historic sites does the city have. Dan Licht noted
only the Cemetery is listed as a Historical site. Chair Nichols asked if they would be able
to bring the house back to its original state. Dan Licht said the HPC could be instructed
to do that.
Commissioner Schuck asked if it could rented out. Commissioner Hackman asked who
can run the property. Councilmember Heidner said the City had some one screen people
for the rental house.
After no more comments the Public Hearing was closed at 9:10 PM.
Commissioner Schuck motioned to designate the McDonald Peavey House as a
heritage preservation site based on the findings of the Vogel report prepared for the
City of Otsego. Seconded by Commissioner Hackman. All in favor. Motion
carried.
4. Any other Planning Commission Business.
4.1. Site and Building Plan Review for Lona Haul Trucking Expansion.
Dan Licht presented gave his report. Steve Fisher with Arrow Companies agreed with
the conditions.
Commissioner Schuck motioned to approve site and building plans for expansion of
the Long haul Trucking building, subject to the six conditions and including
striping of lot. Seconded by Commissioner Fallon. All in favor. Motion carried.
4.2. Update on Council actions by CM Heidner.
Councilman Heidner gave an update.
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5. Adjournment by 10 PM.
Commissioner Schuck motioned to adjourn. Seconded by Commissioner Fallon.
All in favor. Motion carried.
Meeting Adjourned at 9:12 PM.
Richard Nichols, Chair
ATTEST:
Karee Rowell, Deputy Clerk