09-04-07 PCITEM 2_1
OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
OTSEGO CITY HALL
Tuesday, September 4, 2007
7 PM
1. Chair Nichols will call the meeting to order.
Chair Nichols called the meeting to order at 7:03 PM.
Roll Call: Chair Richard Nichols; Commission Members: Pam Black, Tammie
Fallon, David Thompson, John Thelen and Brian Gerten.
Excused absence: Troy Watring & Doug Hackman.
Absent: Jim Kolles.
Councilmember: Vern Heidner.
2. Consider the following minutes.
2.1. July 16, 2007 Planning Commission Meeting.
Commissioner Thelen motioned to approve the minutes as written. Seconded
by Commissioner Black. All in favor. Motion carried.
3. Planning Items:
PUBLIC HEARINGS:
3.1. Shamrock Development:
A. Rezoning from A-1 District to I-2 District.
B. Preliminary and Final Plat for Dara Glen Addition.
Dan Licht presented the Planner's Report.
Jim Stanton, Shamrock, stated he agrees with the conditions in the Planner's Report
except for the 100 foot right of way for street as this seems excessive for a collector
street and the adjoining street in Kittredge Crossing is 80 feet of right of way. Dan
Licht said staff can work with the developer on this prior to the City Council Meeting.
Chair Nichols asked in reference to the 100 foot right of way. Dan Licht said in Kittredge
Crossing it is 80 feet but Engineer is updating to 100 foot right of way.
Chair Nichols opened the Public Hearing at 7:17 PM.
Judy Hudson, City Clerk/Zoning Administrator, attested that all proper noticing, posting
and publishing was completed.
Rich Baron, Alliance Auction and Realty, was hired by the Bistodeau's to sell their
property. He asked if this is rezoned this to I-2 will it modify or change the Comp. Plan
and affect the Bistodeau property. Dan Licht said the Bistodeau property would not be
affected by this and Comp Plan would not change because of this application.
Commissioner Thelen asked what is a typical I2 user. Dan Licht replied, warehousing,
limited outdoor storage, some office warehouse use.
Chair Nichols hearing no other public comments, closed the Public Hearing at 7:21 PM.
Commissioner Thompson asked how much is going into the baseball field. Dan Licht
said most of the western half of the property. Commissioner Gerten asked would we
still collect the cash for Park. Dan Licht said they are giving recreation purpose land in
lieu of cash.
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Commissioner Black motioned to approve a Zoning Map amendment rezoning
the subject site from A-1 District to I-2 District based on a finding that the
action is consistent with the Comprehensive Plan. Seconded by
Commissioner Thompson. All in favor. Motion carried.
Commissioner Black motioned to approve a Preliminary and Final Plat for the
Dara Glen Addition, subject to the eleven conditions listed in the Planner's
Report dated August 28, 2007. Seconded by Commissioner Thompson. All in
favor. Motion carried.
3.2. Kaleidoscope Charter School:
A. Rezoning from I-2 District to INS District.
B. PUD-CUP/Development Stage Plan for an approximately 40,500
square foot building to be used as a charter school.
Dan Licht presented the Planner's Report.
Debra Rathman, architect, described the materials for the building: they want a look
that is consistent for transition between the residential area and industrial area and
explained what materials they want to use. She also discussed the setbacks.
Judy Hudson, City Clerk/Zoning Administrator, attested that all the proper noticing,
posting and publishing was completed.
Chair Nichols opened the Public Hearing
Bob Hamann, 7467 Kahler Court, likes the idea of the school and what you're using the
land for. His concern is traffic. Are there plans for a stop light at the intersection of
70th and Cty Rd 19. City Administrator Mike Robertson said that in the long term a
traffic signal will be there. He explained how Otsego and Albertville will be going ahead
with the construction of 70th street east of Cty Rd 19.
Commissioner Black stated her concern with circulation within the school site, parents
backing into bus traffic and going in the bus path. Ms. Rathman said she has given a lot
of thought to this and the intent is that it will be a dedicated bus lane and they will
restrict parents from driving in this lane.
Commissioner Fallon asked about access to the playground. Ms. Rathman explained the
main circulation will be from the front entrance or thru the gym. Commissioner Fallon
asked if there is any barrier between school and parent drop off. Ms. Rathman said that
they are still trying to work some of those things out.
Commissioner Thelen said if the restrooms will be multiple uses in each wing. Ms.
Rathman said that there will be 2 sets of dedicated boys and girls bathrooms on each
wing and a larger bank by the cafeteria and gym which exceed required amount.
Commissioner Thelen asked why no shower and locker rooms. Ms. Rathman said that is
a thing of the past.
Commissioner Gerten noted the parking lot is subject to review, you said there would
be a fair amount of parent drop off and he would like a fair amount of land for this use
and make sure it is a safe flow plan. Ms. Rathman said that they have a significant
amount of parking that can be used. CM Heidner asked for number of students. Ms.
Rathman replied 432 K-8 students. CM Heidner said that any activities where parents
are involved then you could have 400 cars. Ms. Rathman said there are no parking
requirements for
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that one to one ratio. Dan Licht said that we don't apply those standards to this usage
because it is limited. Chair Nichols asked how does this compare to other schools. Ms.
Rathman replied that this would be considered a small school. CM Heidner said that
Otsego Elementary is about 800 students. Dan Licht said that Otsego Elementary is
about 40 to 60 acres. Chair Nichols asked how you can get 432 students on 10 acres
and other schools need 40 to 60 acres. Ms. Rathman said that they are probably
accommodating other uses.
Commissioner Black said back to parent parking, would the angle parking be for parents
to pull in and take children into school? Ms. Rathman said yes. Commissioner Black
asked where additional parent parking would be. Ms. Rathman said the auxiliary parking
on the northwest area. Average amount of drop off time would take 5 to 7 minutes.
Commissioner Black said she sees parents pulling up to curb, dropping off students and
continuing on. Ms. Rathman said the buses would be arriving at different times and
using the same area for both drop off and pick up. Dan Licht said that they could add
another condition that staff will review the parking from the concerns heard from the
Planning Commission.
Commissioner Fallon said she sees two main areas that have doors away from the
student's discovery commons area. Ms. Rathman said that it allows them their own
access to the outside.
Hearing no other public comments, Chair Nichols closed the Public Hearing at 8 PM.
Commissioner Black motioned to approve a Zoning Map amendment rezoning
the proposed charter school site from I-2 District to INS District based on a
finding that the action is consistent with the Comprehensive Plan. Seconded
by Commissioner Fallon. All in favor. Motion carried.
Commissioner Black motioned to approve a PUD -CUP for Kaleidoscope
Charter School, subject to the nine conditions listed in the Planner's Report
dated August 29, 2007 adding another condition addressing the drop off and
pick up parent parking. Seconded by Commissioner Thompson. All in favor.
Motion carried.
4. Any other Planning Commission Business.
4.1. Update on City Council actions by Councilmember Heidner.
Councilmember Heidner updated the Planning Commission on Council actions done
since their last meeting.
4.2. Update on future Planning Commission Agenda Items bar
Judy Hudson.
There will be no Planning Commission on September 17 due to lack of agenda items.
5. Adjournment by 10 PM.
Commissioner Thompson motioned to adjourn. Seconded by Commissioner
Fallon. All in favor. Motion carried.
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Meeting adjourned at 8:24 PM.
Chair Richard Nichols
Attest:
Judy Hudson, Clerk/Zoning Admin.
Written by: Tami Loff