06-19-96 PCCITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
OF JUNE 19, 1996
8:00 PM
1. Chair .Swenson will call meeting to order*
Chair Swenson called Planning Commission Meeting to order at 8:00 PM.
ROLL CALL:
Commissioners Present: Carl Swenson, Chair; Ing Roskaft, Richard Nichols, Eugene
Goenner, Arleen Nagel
Excused Absence: Bruce Rask, Jim Kolles
Council Representative, Larry Fournier.
Staff: Bob Kirmis, Assistant Planner, Elaine Beatty, City Clerk/Zoning Administrator,
Carol A. Olson, Secretary.
Mayor, Norman F. Freske, Councilmember, Suzanne Ackerman
2. Consideration of the Planning Commission Minutes of June 5,1996*
Ing Roskaft motioned to approve Planning Commission minutes of June 5, 1996.
Arleen Nagel seconded the motion. All in favor. Motion carried.
3. HEARING - Pa .i i,evencon and Jernme M and Lynn R=rte**� fir
PID4118-5 -353206 and PID #118-500-353309*
These properties are located on 62nd Street NE and State Highway #101.
Request is as follows:
1. A Comprehensive Plan Amendment to the land use plan from
Agricultural to Low Density Residential
Chair Swenson went over request.
Elaine Beatty stated that the proper publishing and posting have been made.
Mr. Kirmis went over NAC background report dated June 11, 1996. The necessary
procedure is needed to accommodate the proposed future land division of the parcels.
Recommendation is for approval of the request upon condition that the City approve the
requested Comprehensive Plan Amendment. The concern is pending sewer study. There
has not been a sanitary sewer boundary designated. Mr. Kirmis referred to a memo from
Hakanson Anderson Assoc. dated June 13, 1996, stating similar concern regarding a
sewer district.
Mr. Kirmis concluded that there is justification for both approval and denial of the
request.
Suggested that without the establishment of a new sanitary sewer service district, the
request for the proposed development is premature.
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Paul Levenson
6129 Highway 101
Otsego MN 55330
Mr. Levenson reiterated what Mr. Kirmis said. Desire is to start as five (5) acre lots. A
ten and a half (101/2) acre area that has been divided by Mn/DOT. The land is not
typically agricultural in nature and we feel the property is best suited for a low density
residential area. Lot sizes would be slightly under two (2) acres, in one case slightly over.
Septic system area is adequate. Based on what is in the area (basically residential) this
would not change the area that much.
Chair Swenson opened the hearing to the public.
Commenting that the Planning Commission had received one communication from Mervin
and Verna Hauan, 16154 62nd Street NE and they have no objection to the requested
change.
Chair Swenson directed the request to the Planning Commissioners.
Larry Fournier - why is this being connected with the sanitary sewer district. If a sanitary
sewer district was not being considered for this area, could this request change be
considered.
Mr. Kirmis explained that the comprehensive plan is set up for the City to decide where it
wants urban growth. The existing plan was prepared with the sanitary sewer supply
coming from Elk River. The focus now is to supply sewer from the southeast area of the
City. The next logical step is to establish a new sewer district, amend land use plan to
reflect that and rezoning would follow. The property of Paul Levenson would fall in this
area.
The land use plan would supply justification for the rezoning. The property is Zoned A-1.
(agricultural) Comprehensive Plan needs to be changed in order to allow low density
development which relates to the sewer district and Immediate Urban Service Area. The
request could be considered, but you need to decide where you want new growth.
Richard Nichols - am I correct to assume there are no homes on the existing property.
Paul Levenson - said one home on each - pointed out the current residences in the area.
Eugene Goenner - concern - if this would fall into the sanitary sewer district, how would
this affect the placement of these homes. Are we going to be able to possibly sub -divide.
Mr. Kirmis - we would treat this area as we treat the existing urban service area where we
allow one acre development with a sub -division plan if sewer comes in. To clarify, what is
being requested here is the mechanism to allow for sub -division.
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Richard Nichols - as we have approved other sub -divisions, what provisions do we have
for sewer and water. Are the developments being set up for two or three houses. Should
we be plan for three. Question is two fold, one is to understand what our plans are and
two is same concern as Eugene Goenner. I believe it premature to approve at this time.
Arleen Nagel commented that she drove by the property and also feels it is premature.
Chair Swenson called for any further comments from the public.
Glen Beltrand
16093 62nd Street NE
Otsego MN 55330
Number one - How many plots were eligible. Number two - What impact will this have on
our road. Number three - What is the plan for going with this service road or Quale being
extended to Co.#37. What impact will having more homes have on the road. There is
gravel between 62nd, Quale and Quam again. How many houses will the land house either
now or when sewer comes. When City water and sewer is in how many houses will there
be per acre.
Mr. Kirmis - The land use plan will change. We don't know what that will look like.
It will be difficult to answer that question. They are now asking for one per division. The
minimum lot width right now is 75 feet of frontage.
Glen Beltrand had no objections to the change, just questioned future plans.
Eugene Goenner moved to Amend the Comprehensive Plan from A-1, Agricultural
to low density Residential. Ing Roskaft seconded the motion.
Discussion between the motion and the actual vote:
Richard Nichols questioned the property owners. What is the front facing footage
dimension to Quam Ave. Paul Levenson answered approximately 400 feet to the west,
and 300 feet to the east.
Richard Nichols asked Mr. Kirmis if split is approved and homes are place on the two lots
created, what would the Cities requirement be for placing of the homes.
Mr. Kirmis - same as any other R-3 Residential sub -division. Every subdivision plan must
be submitted showing home placement and re -subdivision for future sewer and water.
Eugene Goenner - This is regarding land use, not re -zoning. Mr. Kirmis said yes.
Chair Swenson - We have a motion by Eugene Goenner to amend Comprehensive
Plan from A-1 Agricultural to Low Density Residential. Seconded by Ing Roskaft.
Eugene Goenner and Ing Roskaft voted in favor of the motion. Richard Nichols,
Arleen Nagel, and Carl Swenson opposed. Motion failed.
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Chair Swenson - when this will come before the City Council.
Elaine Beatty - at the first City Council meeting in July. (July 8, 1996)
Eugene Goenner requested that the record show that if the motion had been for rezoning,
he would have voted against it. So the City Council knows that the vote is for
Comprehensive Plan change not for rezoning. I feel the Comprehensive Plan is already
basically out of step with having this zoned A- 1, but I'm not in favor of R-3 actual zoning.
4. Set Hearing Date for Amendment to the Zoning Ordinance Re: Home
Occupations•
Richard Nichols moved to have the hearing date set for July 17, 1996. Seconded by
Ing Roskaft. All in favor. Motion carried.
5. Review Memo and Ordinance change dated April 10, 1996 from NAC - Re:
Otsego Zoning Ordinance: Accessory & Temp. Outside Sales & Events. Set
Hearing Date•
Ing Roskaft moved to have hearing date set for July 17, 1996. Seconded by Richard
Nichols. All in favor. Motion carried.
6. Consider Amendment to Otsego on' Ordinance Re* Side Yarn Setbacks
lin R-3 Zoning Districts) from 15 feet to 10 feet_ Set Hearing Date:
Chair Swenson read the amendment to be considered.
Mr. Kirmis - The side yard setback we currently impose on R-2 one acre lots is 15 feet
from the future re -subdivided lots. The 45 foot wide building pad does not readily
accommodate homes having three car garages. Staff has discussed reducing setbacks from
15 feet to10 feet. To be noted in this is that the sewered district lots (75 foot lots) which
could be created, if sewer was available, have a ten (10) foot side yard setback. This
change would be consistent with that.
Ing Roskaft moved to set hearing date for August 7, 1996. Seconded by Arleen
Nagel.
Discussion between motion and actual vote:
Chair Swenson - stated that doesn't see a problem because the easement is good enough
on 75 foot lots, why are we taking 15 feet.
Eugene Goenner - A-1 District requires ten (10) foot drainage easements. Are drainage
easements required in subdivisions. Mr. Kirmis - five feet on either side, centered on
property.
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Chair Swenson - we have a motion and a second to set hearing date of August 7,
1996, to consider side yard setbacks in R-3 Zoning Districts. Ing Roskaft motioned.
Arleen Nagel seconded. Eugene Goenner was opposed. Motion carried.
7. Any other Planning Commission Businesso
Chair Swenson called attention to memo from Elaine Beatty requesting that members of
the commission look for and recommend possible new members. Possibly answer any
questions people may have regarding the position.
Richard Nichols - point of interest for the group. Last week Metropolitan Council held
session with six or eight focus groups for their regional plan. (which doesn't include us
now) One session was on questions consultants put together. It was a very interesting
process. He can get this information for anyone who would like the material.
8. Adjourn:
Ing Roskaft motioned to adjourn. Richard Nichols seconded the motion. All in
favor. Motion carried.
Bruce Rask, Secretary
Recorded by: Carol A. Olson