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04-15-98 PCCITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES APRIL 15, 1998 - SPM 1 Chair Carl Swenson will call meeting to order: Chair Swenson called the meeting to order at 8:05PM ROLL CALL: Carl Swenson, Chair, Eugene Goenner, Bruce Rask, Richard Nichols, Jim Kolles, Planning Commissioners were present. Ing Roskaft and Arleen Nagel, Planning Commissioners - Excused absence Vern Heidner, Council Rep., Suzanne Ackerman, Council Member, Dan Licht, Assistant Planner and Elaine Beatty, City Clerk/Zoning Adm. were present 2. Consideration of the Planning Commission Minutes of: A April 1, 1998 Regular P.C. Meeting Richard Nichols motioned adoption as written, Gene Goenner seconded the motion. Motion carried unanimously. B March 25, 998 PC/Council Workshop for Comp. Plan Review Richard Nichols Motioned, Jim Kolles seconded the motion to approve the minutes with the change to add Bruce Rask as present. Motion carried unanimously. ' el ILS off 1-Irs-el-70M. KIMMW :• 11ti , .� a�V, Commissioner Goenner sat in the audience and did not participate as a Commissioner due to a conflict. Dan Licht gave a report that the permit for the CUP was previously approved, but had expired after one year. He explained the 9 -hole golf course CUP. He stated that after review, there were no substantial changes to development as proposed. Planning Report of July 10, 1996 still applies. Staff recommends thirteen (13) conditions for re- issue of this CUP which he read from the Findings of Fact of August 12, 1996. Staff recommends that the CUP be reissued at this time. CUP evaluation 20-2.F of Zoning Ordinance be followed (Mr. Licht read). He referred to the City Engineer's Memo dated April 9, 1998 with regards to the satisfaction of conditions issued by the Council. Hearing was opened by Chair Swenson. CITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES 4/15/98 - 8PM - PAGE 2 - Elaine Beatty stated that the proper mailing, posting and publishings had been completed. She also explained that Mr. Kincanon is asking for a longer period of time. Richard Kincanon, Applicant was not present. FLOYD GOENNER Asked if the rules would stay the same for this CUP 8013 Nashua Avenue NE as it was set? Answer was yes. GENE GOENNER Questioned the stormwater drainage overflow pipe from 12867 - 83RD ST NE SE hole one, intended to go down by hole nine. and Why is this project different, and not required to have curb and gutter and pre -cast bumpers? Mr.Licht had no answer to the drainage question and he stated that the City Engineer can address and can recommend an exemption to the concrete bumpers. April 9, 1998 Memo states that precast concrete bumpers will be acceptable for use in the parking lot. FLOYD GOENNER Stated that the drainage from Nashua to the NE corner 8013 - Nashua Avenue NE was to be tiled so the overflow would not run into his field. There was more discussion on same. Mr Goenner said the one pond in SE corner in his opinion was too high and it was to be reviewed. Mr. Licht stated that the second condition of approval was a grading and drainage plan subject to approval by the City Engineer in Report of 1996. Chair Swenson stated that we can go forward with asking that the issues for the Engineer be addressed. GENE GOENNER Said as of the Engineers Memo of April 9, 1998 he had not received the data so he did not know how he could have supplied the report as to where the water level was there. Did not see how the Engineer would change his report to not require it. Chair Swenson stated he thought it was clear that the intent was there. CM Heidner brought up that the ponds are being used to irrigate the grass. He talked about the pipe. He stated that a Golf Course is an interim use and referred to Page 4 of the City Council Minutes of August 12, 1996. Council passed it the same as P.C. recommended it with no more conditions added. CITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES 4/15/98 8PM - PAGE 3 - TONY BERNING Asked how deep is the hole on the NE side of 85TH ST? 11756 - 80TH ST NE How deep is that hole and isn't that a water hazard? He said if a car slid off and went in the pond you would not even see it. He thought the pond was too close to the 85th Street. Questioned the culvert elevation that goes under the road. 932 elevation - depth approx. 11 feet said Mr. Licht. Commissioner Rask asked how deep that pond was before. More discussion. Mr. Licht explained elevations. Discussion of City Hall pond and that this one was no worse. Chair Swenson stated we could have the City Engineer address these issues. SUZANNE ACKERMAN Agreed with these gentlemen. Talked about the danger of 8217 Packard Ave NE the pond to traffic and kids and reminded the Commission that this pond is man made not natural. She has shooed kids out of there. Commissioner Rask stated that there is a MN/DOT pond on #101 that is closer to the road than this one on the golf course property and discussed other ponds. If grades are approved by Engineer no fencing is needed as per Dave Licht. Hearing was brought back to the Commission for discussion. Commissioner Nichols questioned the length of time being requested of 2-1/2 years. Mr. Licht stated he can request a 2-1/2 year permit. More discussion was had on length of permit. Questioned if this time period was allowed. Elaine Beatty said in special cases he can ask the Council for a longer time. Dan Licht explained he can request a 2-1/2 year time period. Commissioner Rask stated you only have 6 Mo. here w/weather conditions and that most golf courses take two years. More discussion was had on amount of time for the permit. CM Heidner stated the Commission may want to consider restrictions of the earth being moved in a certain amount of time fixed and then grass can grow. Commissioner Rask stated if we don't extend the permit, who will finish the golf course'? More discussion of extension of permit by Commissioner Nichols and what is a reasonable amount of time. CITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES 4/15/98 - 8PM - PAGE 4 - Hearing was opened back to the Public. No one spoke. HEARING WAS CLOSED. Commissioner Nichols asked to have his memory refreshed Re: CUP Extensions change in the Ordinance. Dan Licht explained. (Allowance for 15 Mos. beyond what is allowed). Commissioner Nichols stated that maybe one and one-half (1-1/2 ) years more is appropriate if not done, he can ask for another 15 Mo extension. Dan Licht explained it was a one year total extension time. CM Heidner asked what kind of Letter of Credit we have now. Elaine noted that we do not have any. Mr. Robertson felt we should make reference to the growing season. Chair Swenson stated we should make mention of the earth moving be done in this first period of time. RICHARD NICHOLS MOTIONED THAT WE RECOMMEND TO THE COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THE CUP FOR ONE AND ONE-HALF (1-1/2) YEARS (TWO GROWING SEASONS) AND ASK THAT THE COUNCIL EMPHASIZE THE EARTH MOVING BE COMPLETED IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME (18 MOS.) BRUCE RASK SECONDED THE MOTION. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY WITH AMENDMENT. Mr. Licht noted there are provisions that a security can be required. Ms. Beatty noted that a Security was not required for this CUP originally. RICHARD NICHOLS AMENDED HIS MOTION TO REQUIRE A SUITABLE PERFORMANCE SECURITY BE APPLIED TO THE PROJECT. BRUCE RASK SECONDED THE MOTION. AMENDMENT CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. It was noted that this item will come before Council on April 27, 1998 at 6:30PM CM Heidner - It was noted that the City Engineer should provide information on the pipe and recommendation on amount of security. Commissioner Goenner rejoined the Commission. 4 Planning Commission/City Council/Planner Continue the Comprehensive Plan Review if not done. No discussion of same CITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES 4/15/98 8PM - PAGE 5 - 5. Any other P.C. Business Chair Swenson stated we had a problem with the April 22nd meeting and need to change the agenda to a Special Planning Commission Meeting (Review of Site and Bldg. Plans for Long Haul APEX). Elaine Beatty explained. Bruce Rask noted he would be gone for this meeting. NOTE: AGENDA WAS NOT CHANGED, AS IT WAS LATER DETERMINED THAT THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION NEEDED TO BE REZONED AND HAD TO BE NOTICED FOR HEARING. THESE ITEMS ARE ALL ON THE MAY 6, 1998 PC AGENDA. 6. Adjourn MOTION BY BRUCE RASK TO ADJOURN, RICHARD NICHOLS SECONDED THE MOTION. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 4i Kolles, Secretary Recorded by Elaine Beatty, City Clerk/Zoning Adm. eb