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OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
OTSEGO CITY HALL
OCTOBER 17, 2011
7 PM
Call to Order.
Chair Black called the meeting to order at 7:00 PM.
Roll Call: Chair Pam Black; Commissioners: David Thompson, Richard Nichols,
Tammie Fallon, Aaron Stritesky, Jim Kolles and Brian Gerten.
City Council: CM Tom Darkenwald. Staff: Daniel Licht, City Planner; and Tami
Loff, City Clerk.
1. Consider the following minutes.
1.1 September 17, 2011 Planning Commission Meeting.
Commissioner Thompson motioned to approve as written. Seconded by
Commissioner Stritesky. All in favor. Motion carried.
2. Public Hearing:
2.1 Boondox Bar & Grille:
a. Amended PUD Development Stage Plan modifying the site
plan to include volleyball and other outdoor recreational
activities as accessory to a restaurant use.
City Planner Licht presented the Planning Report with modifying number 5 to say
occupancy other than an office use.
Applicant, Dion & Dawn Grover, 15157 90th Street NE, agreed with everything
presented but did have question with the no audio system on the outside of
building. City Planner Licht said that City staff recommendation is that not be
allowed.
City Clerk Loff attested that all the proper noticing, posting and publishing was
completed.
Chair Black opened the Public Hearing at 7:06 PM.
Jessica Plowman, 9129 Parrish Avenue, said she just bought the property right
next to the proposed bar and has concern of safety for her son and other
children in the neighborhood. She has concern with the noise even with the 10
PM cut off and doesn't feel a bar is needed.
Terri Ruschmeier, 8439 Packard Avenue, said that the city doesn't need another
bar they need more kid appropriate places.
Planning Commission Meeting October 17, 2011.
Dee Faherty, 8956 Ohland Ave, said the noise from Rockwood's is already bad
she has concern with the noise even with the 10 PM cut off.
Tim Neibling, 15697 90th Street, said he thinks this will be a great addition to the
city. He said this business area was there when these people purchase the
property and he thinks this will help revitalize the area.
Jessica Plowman, 9129 Parrish Avenue, said yes the businesses were there but
they were family oriented. To put in a bar is different.
City Planner Licht said that the proposed use is compatible with the zoning which
is the same zoning as the Godfathers the previous business. City Planner Licht
said the Planning Commission cannot pick and choose has to only look at the
use.
Commissioner Nichols said to the applicant that he finds proposed name
offensive. Mr. Grover said still looking at options.
Commissioner Thompson asked if a PA system outside would be needed for
volleyball. Mr. Grover said no was looking at more of having a couple of speakers
for music
Commissioner Stritesky asked what winter activities are planned. Mr. Grover said
broomball possibly next year.
Commissioner Stritesky asked if Rockwood's had received approval for the
Wednesday night concerts. City Planner Licht said they have not and this will
have to be reviewed next year because the City has received complaints.
Terri Ruschmeier, 8439 Packard Avenue, asked what to do to fight this, would a
petition help. City Planner Licht said this Public Hearing is the time for comment
which will be forwarded on to the City Council with the recommendation from the
Planning Commission.
Commissioner Nichols asked City Planner Licht to review the difference in rolls
with the Planning Commission verses the City Council. City Planner Licht said that
the Planning Commissions roll is the land use plan and compliance. The City
Council has the final action which they will take into consideration the
recommendation from City staff and the Planning Commission along with public
comment. City Planner Licht said the liquor license is a separate issue not of the
Planning Commission.
Commissioner Thompson asked if the liquor license has been completed. City
Planner Licht said no.
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Commissioner Gerten asked if there is no patio/outdoor activity. City Planner
Licht said no.
Amanda Beaudry, 8014 Oakwood, said she thinks another food option is good
but wondering if they can stop serving liquor at a certain time? City Planner Licht
said that would be a consideration with the liquor license not this application.
Larry Haux, 8273 Oakwood Avenue, another bar is not needed, he said he works
at Denny's and some people came in intoxicated the other night and started a
fight with staff.
Chair Black closed the Public Hearing at 7:32 PM.
Commissioner Nichols asked if there is a limit on how many bars/ liquor stores
are allowed city wide. City Planner Licht said no. Commissioner Nichols said
should there be? City Planner Licht said the City Council has not done that at this
point they have let the market decide. If there would be some feedback from the
Wright County Sheriff's Department that there was issues they would possibly.
Commissioner Nichols asked if there is a requirement on distance of
establishment. City Planner said no distance requirement in the city code.
Commissioner Gerten as far as actions it is not the Planning Commission's work
to determine the use. City Planner Licht said correct.
Commissioner Gerten asked if no parking on Park Avenue is included. City
Planner Licht said it is not that be a consideration of the City Council.
Commissioner Gerten asked if it would be appropriate for the Planning
Commission to recommend no parking on Park Avenue. City Planner Licht said
they could make that recommendation to the City Council with adding an
additional stipulation number seven to the actions.
Commissioner Thompson asked on overflow parking. City Planner Licht said
there is cross parking easements with the old Bobs produce.
Commissioner Gerten said he would like to make that recommendation to the
City Council of no parking between Parkington, Park and Parrish Avenue.
Commissioner Kolles said if needed additional parking could they park at
local businesses in the area. City Planner Licht said that the property owners
would have to work together.
Commissioner Gerten asked if there was the possibility another outlet on the
South. City Planner Licht said there is only outlet north to Park Avenue.
Commissioner Fallon asked the applicant if there will be weekend tournaments.
Planning Commission Meeting October 17, 2011.
Mr. Grover said there is the possibility but it will not be every weekend.
Commissioner Fallon said because that will generate more traffic and then there
is concern with safety which you probably are aware of. Ms. Grover said yes.
Commissioner Stritesky motioned to approve a PUD Development
Stage Plan for Boondox Bar and Grille, Inc subject to the seven
stipulations. Seconded by Commissioner Gerten. All in favor. Motion
carried.
City Planner Licht said this will be on the October 24, 2011 City Council meeting
at 7 PM.
3. Update on City Council actions.
City Planner Licht said there has not been too much.
4. Update on Future Planning Commission Agenda items.
4.1 Motion to call a special meeting with City Council and
Commissioners to discuss City Logo, brand and marketing on
November 14, 2011 at 5:30 PM.
Commissioner Thompson motioned to call a special meeting with the
City Council and Commissioners to discuss City Logo, brand and
marketing on November 14, 2011 at 5:30 PM. Seconded by
Commissioner Fallon. All in favor. Motion carried.
5. Adjourn.
Commissioner Fallon motioned to adjourn. Seconded by Commissioner
Nichols.. All in favor. Motion carried. Adjourned at 7:50 PM.
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Pam Black, Chair
Attest:
Tami Loff, City Clerk
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