09-02-98 PCCITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
MINUTES
SEPTEMBER 2, 1998 - 8PM
1. Chair Carl Swenson will call meeting to order:
Chair Swenson called the meeting to order at 8:07PM.
ROLL. CALL
Chair Carl Swenson and Commissioners Arleen Nagel, Eugene Goenner, Jim Kolles and
Bruce Rask were present. Commissioner Richard Nichols, excused absence and Alternate
Christian Mbanefo was absent. Council Representative Vern Heidner was present.
Dan Licht, Assistant Planner, Mike Robertson, City Administrator and Elaine
Beatty, City Clerk/Zoning Administrator were present.
Mayor Larry Fournier, CM Mark Berning, CM Virginia Wendel and CM Suzanne
Ackerman were also present.
2. Consideration of the Planning Cam ission Minutes of,
A. City of Otsego Planning Commission/City o mcil Workshop Re:
Comprehensive Plan of July 22, 1999 - 8PM
BRUCE RASK MOTIONED TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF JULY 22, 1998
PLANNING COMMISSION/CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP
RE: COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS WRITTEN. EUGENE GOENNER
SECONDED THE MOTION. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
B Planning Commission Meeting of August
9 1998 - 8PM
BRUCE RASK MOTIONED TO APPROVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION
MEETING MINUTES OF AUGUST 19,1998 AS WRITTEN. ARLEEN NAGEL
SECONDED THE MOTION. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
(This item tabled from 8/19/98 to this date for further information attached)
I Applicant •ngob it bef r,f Thein Well Co nc is proposing
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to construct a 5,760 sq-. f* office/warehouse buildingon Lot 1', Block 2 of the
Otsego Industrial Parko nd Addition The subject site is zoned I-2
_General Industrial To accommodate the use, the fallomdn9-deNAe1op.mffl1
applications have been req 1 .she ted:
1 Site plan review for industrial land uses.
2_ Condinional Use Permit to allow outdoor storag in an i-2 District.
'i Variance from rements for parking ing
4 Variance from surfacing tl Quiremente fpr nnrcide Storage areas.
5 Variance from concrete curb requirements.
City Administrator Mike Robertson explained that the applicant was made aware of the
pavement requirement on the storage area of the lot and that the Planning Commission
and City Council are very reticent in granting variances.
Chair Swenson noted that this item was tabled at the August 19th P.C. Meeting to
obtain more information.
EUGENE GOENNER MOTIONED TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE
PERMIT FOR APPLICANT SHINGOBEE BUILDERS, OWNER THEIN WELL
COMPANY WITH THE 12 CONDITIONS LISTED IN NAC'S REPORT DATED
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AUGUST 12, 1998. ARLEEN NAGEL SECONDED THE MOTION. MOTION
CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
Eugene Goenner questioned if we had information from the City Engineer regarding the
loading areas. Dan Licht explained the Engineers letter stated that bituminous pavement
can be designed for heavy loadings, and many commercial uses design for the damage that
may result from some vehicles by appropriate use of concrete.
EUGENE GOENNER MOTIONED TO RECOMMEND DENIAL OF THE
THREE (3) VARIANCES AS NOTED ABOVE. ARLEEN NAGEL SECONDED
THE MOTION. MOTION CARRIED, WITH BRUCE RASK VOTING NO.
It was noted that this item will be on the City Council Meeting of September 14,
1998 at 6:30PM.
4 Public Hearing applicant Leander Schlosser. President Nailbenrler C:om. Inc. for
Owner Brian L Schultz. 9303 Oakwood Avenue NF, Otsego (Legal descrintion is
PID#119-34-002070 Lot 7, Block 2„ Vasse res Oak Grove Estate, Third Addition.
_ Request is as follows_
1 A Conditional Use Permit to all a move in building (Relocation
of a double -wide mobile home)
Elaine Beatty noted that the proper publication, mailing and postings had been completed.
Dan Licht reviewed NAC's Report of August 25, 1998. He noted this is in a R-3
Residential district and they see no negative impact. He read the standards and conditions.
He noted a performance security needed to be posted, and amount to be determined by the
Zoning Administrator. The Staff recommends approval of the Conditional Use Permit
with the eight (8) conditions on Pg. #2 of NAC's Report of August 25, 1998.
Mr. Schlosser noted he did not wish to speak.
Chair Swenson explained the formal hearing procedure on the back of the Agenda
and OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING.
No one spoke.
Discussion went to the Planning Commission.
Bruce Rask asked why we ask for a performance security? He noted people are
trying to improve, why don't we encourage that. Felt it should apply to contractors only.
Hearing brought back to the public.
Mr. Schlosser, agreed with Mr. Rask. He stated he has met bond requirements for
commercial projects. This is the first time in 30 years he has been asked to provide a bond
for residential. This is a young couple and $2,500.00 is a lot of money.
THERESA MUELLER Not happy with new rules/old ones not followed. She is
8322 Oakwood Avenue. glad to have neighbors like this in her neighborhood.
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No one else spoke.
PUBLIC HEARING WAS CLOSED BY CHAIR SWENSON
Brought back to the P.C. for discussion.
EUGENE GOENNER MOTIONED TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE
PERMIT TO ALLOW A BUILDING RELOCATION FOR OWNER BRIAN
SCHULTZ WITH THE EIGHT (8) CONDITIONS OF NAC'S REPORT DATED
AUGUST 25,1998. JIM KOLLES SECONDED THE MOTION. MOTION
CARRIED WITH BRUCE RASK VOTING NO.
Elaine Beatty noted this item will be on the City Council Meeting of September 14, 1998
at 6:30PM.
5 iblic Hearing for Proposed Otsego Comprehensive Plan
Staff report given by Dan Licht, Assistant Planner. He noted that the Comp. Plan update
began in 1996 with interviews, was delayed for much of 1997, and that the effort was re-
started late in 1997 after the decision about sewer and water was made. Review of Policy
Plan and Development Framework. The Community has been involved throughout the
process with public involvement and informational meetings. He gave the history and
background of plan and changes made since the 1991 Comprehensive Plan. (See attached
letter from NAC dated August 26, 1998). A map of Otsego was shown and Dan Licht
explained the changes that were made as the result of the Public Informational Meetings.
There were three objectives of the Comprehensive Plan and are as follows:
1. Sanitary Sewer Service Extension
2. Improve Community Tax Base
3. Control the Rate of Development in a responsible manner
CONCEPT PLAN:
AG Preserve Area defines the urban/rural boundary, 4 per 40 density allowed on roads,
and 1 per 40 on back 40's with a 1 per 40 transfer of development rights. Reciprocal
buffer zones explained (setbacks). Limit on AG area animal units (Maximum 1500
animals). Dan explained on what this is based on.
RURAL RESIDENTIAL PRESERVE:
A transition area between AG. Zone and Urban (4 per 40 suggested). possibly higher with
rural cluster development - concentrated development with open space (10 per 40 density)
to encourage clustering.
101 AREA - SEWER AND WATER SERVICE AREA:
(10 to 20 year growth area)
Expansion based on criteria.
URBAN SERVICE AREA RESERVE:
(Next area to receive Sewer and Water)
This is a holding area until the sewer area develops (4 per 40 density allowed as an interim
use)
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Intent is to get sewer lines near the developed areas so as to be able to extend them with
petition of property owners.
Albertville Area Sewer Service Discussed (No closer than 5 years away at best).
Land Use Plan Shown.
The Comprehensive Plan focuses the new residential development into the
Immediate Sewer Service Area. Dan explained the other areas of development as
exceptions to the Immediate Sewer Service Area development. This is the first time that
med. to high density residential development is available with sewer and water in the City
of Otsego.
5 AREAS OF COMMERCIAL USES:
A. Co. 39 and 101 - Primary Commercial Area
B. Co. 42 & 101- Second Commercial Area (More Hwy. Commercial Uses)
C. Co 37 & 101 - Third Commercial Area - Lower uses - Neighborhood
for convenience
D. Riverwood Conference Center - Area by 39 and 19
E. Adjacent to Albertville Area
INDUSTRIAL USES:
A. 101 Corridor
1. 42 and 101 (West side - High quality dry uses
2. N of 60TH E of 101 (same as above)
3. S of 60TH, E of 101 - Promote Economic Development Goals and
relocate Home Extended Businesses area. Lower performance
standards area.
4. SW portion of Otsego I-94 N & S of Hwy (Otsego Ind. Park to S)
INTERIM LAND USE PLAN:
Sanitary Sewer Service District 1 per 40 Acres until developed
The Transportation Plan was explained by Dan Licht.
The Parks System Plan was shown and discussed.
Elaine Beatty noted that the proper publication and postings of the Comprehensive Plan
Hearing had been made.
Chair Carl Swenson explained public hearing procedures and asked speakers to limit
comments to 2 Min.
Chair Swenson noted a letter received as "Exhibit A" from a resident Paul Levenson. He
read the letter into the Minutes (See attached Exhibit A).
Hearing Opened to the Public:
VIRGINIA WENDEL She felt that one sentence was forgotten. In the Ag. Zone it
9357 - 65TH ST should read 4 per 40, 1 per 40 and higher density when City
approved Sewer and Water is available. She felt it should
be in there.
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STEWART TURNQUIST His land is in the AG Area. He wants to have AG
organic farm - specializing in herbs and on site sales.
Would that be allowed? Dan Licht noted that Ag use
does allow sales with a CUP. Greenhouses allowed
asked Mr. Tumquist? Answer yes.
WALLY ODELL He suggested the hearing be continued. Said that some of
the pages of the draft Comp. Plan he was given were
missing. He was concerned about affordable housing.
McKnight and Blanden Foundation
are interested in affordable housing. Unemployment is
very low. In Rogers a manager is being offered
a bounty to recruit new employees. He discussed cluster
development and stormwater runoff management (See
Exhibit B submitted) Suggested four pamphlets to be
read. He stated that the RKL Engineering firm has
suggested private/public partnership between the
Darkenwalds and the City. He objected that Darkenwalds
were not allowed to speak at an earlier meeting. Suggest
this hearing be continued. Read information
on how to partner with the City. Darkenwald sanitary
sewer would be a great boon for the City. Proposed sewer
is as far away from the City development as it can be put.
LARRY BLESI Concerned with lack of park land on the Mississippi
7119 LaBeaux Ave NE river. Should have at least one more park on the river in
the future.
DR. DAVID GILGENBACH -Concerned about amount of Commercial Land in the SW
portion of 39 and 101. Commercial should be unified/not
separated by industrial uses in that whole area.
No one else wished to be heard. Discussion was brought back to the P.C. by Chair
Swenson who reminded the Commissioners that in discussion keep in mind two motions
need to be made, one on Policy Plan and one on Development Framework.
EUGENE GOENNER Two questions- both AG area in facility plan
portion
1) Residential unit allowed in buffer zone if no other
building site available. Can you explain that?
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Dan Licht - In land use section a legal issue otherwise preclude a building site. It would
be a taking.
GOENNER (cont.) Does that include the feedlot ordinance changes CUP?
Pg. 183 -1. Statement is incorrect -1 per 40, it should
also include 4 per 40. 1. Null and void. Land evaluation
site analysis. I thought we had eliminated this.
Dan Licht -1. Needs to be changed to add 4 per 40. 2. Site analysis requires
implementation by the City. If City doesn't wish to do this it can be changed.
Chair Swenson asked if there was anything else?
BRUCE RASK Concerned with Wally Odell. Question regarding the
Draft copy of the Comprehensive Plan. Is it is our
responsibility to provide our taxpayers with complete
documentation? I need an answer.
Mike Robertson stated he just got a draft comp. plan from the front counter and it has 2
parts. He did not know why the second part was not out there. He said this plan did not
have anything missing. It should have been out there.
EUGENE GOENNER Noted that on Dr. Gilgenbach and 101 &39 he
was unclear on the point he wanted to make
Mike Robertson - His concern was are we guiding too much land for IND. in the 101/39
area & 42. The P.C. did move the Commercial boundary further South. Dr. Gilgenbach
thought it should be moved further South. You have Commercial land and then back to
Industrial and then back to Commercial land - hop scotch. Not what the City is all about.
You can always add Industrial Development if Commercial does not develope.
Hearing was brought back to the Public
WALLY ODELL Did not get a complete document. Every forth page was all
that was there. I renew my request.
Mike Robertson noted he just went out to the office and grabbed the draft that was at the
front desk. Wally said he picked up his copy yesterday.
CHRIS BULOW The Comp. Plan is a significant document and followed
9380 Napier Avenue like concrete. With the way the community is growing, I
can see controlling it. Some areas of the community grow
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different than the plan can foresee. If someone has a viable
project that is not in the plan, I feel the Comp. Plan should
give the PC/Staff & Council the opportunity to vary from
the document. You are looking at how the community may
develop. That could change next Spring. Allow it to
happen with not big comp. plan change. It is a long drawn
out process. Nice to have language in place so not a long
lengthy process and expensive.
Mike Robertson -The best answer is the plan � not intended
dea presented) and concrete.
makes
is
always flexible. One area, if someone comes
sense, people are usually willing to modify the plan.
CHRIS BULOW The document is not complete. Ag 1 per 40 and 4 per 40
on improved street should just be 4 per 40, just as the
future development area makes sense. What's the
difference if it's on a road or not? It can develop the same.
He also said he did not get a complete plan. He came
back and Staff made him a new copy that was complete.
Mike Robertson apologized for the incomplete plan.
VIRGINIA WENDEL I'm sorry to be a pest, but pg. 180, Dist.. #5 - AG
Preserve
Residential density 4 per 40 and 1 per 40 with parcels
without streets. Within Planning Dist. #5, public sewer
is not anticipated, but can be considered. I per 40, 4 per 40
and sewer and water. I want the statement changed to
"higher density when City approved sewer and water is
available".
BRUCE RASK asked how he can endorse farming when we are encourage farmers to
farm and also allowing farmers to develop.
VIRGINIA WENDEL -The Last two meetings
aswith
higher
o leave the
when approved City sewer and wate lvailable. We are not asking farmers
area. I'm upset because that phrase is not in there.
STAFF COMMENTS - There were none
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THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS BROUGHT BACK TO THE P. C. FOR
DISCUSSION.
EUGENE GOENNER - Pg. 180 improved street frontage - What is the definition of
improved street?
Dan Licht answered "existing" street frontage can change it to that.
BRUCE RASK - I would like to hear all the changes we asked for.
ARLEEN NAGEL - Agreed that she would also like to hear all the changes we asked for.
EUGENE GOENNER - That is not my biggest concern. Mr. Bulow and Mr. Odell did
not have complete documents.
Vern Heidner is willing to give Mr. Odell his plan.
Elaine Beatty asked the Chair if she couldask Mr.
a�e the uw rime toOcome in to get oneeif they did get -
The
complete copy. Mr. Bulow did, Mr. Odell did not
The changes that were discussed - we need to list and have copies available.
CHAIR SWENSON RECOMMENDED CO 9 TIN I G THE HEARING UNTIL A
SPECIAL MEETING SEPTEMBER 9TH,
EUGENE GOENNER MOTIONED TOCOSN IPM. ARLEEN NAARING TO
SECONDED
SEPTEMBER So, 1998 - WEDNESDAYA
THE MOTION. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
NOTED THAT PAGES 180 - 183 WERE THE MAJOR CHANGES.
Mike Robertson suggested that Dan Licht draft amemo including the M tubers to et them knowewe have it
s by
tomorrow and Elaine Beatty would call th
done.
6. Any other P.C. Business
CM Heidner noted they are in the budget process. P.C. budget has no changes.
7. Adjourn by IOPM
ARL,EEN NAGEL MOTIONED TO ADJOURN
MOT ON CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY.
GO NER SE D THE MOTION.
J OLLES, SECRETARY
minutes by Elaine Beatty, City Clerk
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