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02-16-99 PCCITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION/ CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 16, 1999 - 8PM 1. Chair Carl Swenson will rail meeting to order: Chair Carl Swenson called the meeting to order at 8:03PM ROLL CALL: Carl Swenson, Chair, Patrick Moonen, Richard Nichols, Jim Kolles and Gene Goenner. Bruce Rask, Arleen Nagel and Christian Mbanefo, Alt. were absent from the P.C. Larry Fournier, Mayor, Virginia Wendel, Vern Heidner, Suzanne Ackerman Council Members were present. Mark Berning was absent. Mike Robertson, City Administrator, Elaine Beatty, City Clerk/Zoning Administrator and Dan Licht, City Planner from Staff. 2. Consideration of the Planning Commission Minutes of, A. February 1, 1999 Otsego P.C./CC Meeting RICHARD NICHOLS MOTIONED TO ADOPT THE MINUTES OF FEBRUARY 1, 1999 OTSEGO PC/CC MEETING MINUTES. JIM KOLLES SECONDED THE MOTION. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. 3. Hearing to consider the proposed Zoning Ordinance Amendment;_ An Ordinance Amending the Otsego Zoning Ordinance Accessory Building Standards. Elaine Beatty noted that the proper publication, and posting had been completed. Dan Licht explained the current proposed ordinance (a copy is attached). Two new zoning districts have been added on Pg. 4, RC and I-3. Section 4 was stricken out and reserved for future use. Chair Swenson noted the formal Public Hearing procedure on the back side of the P.C. Agenda. PUBLIC HEARING WAS OPENED TO THE PUBLIC Keith Knutson He asked if a gazebo and if it is an accessory building. Mr. 6630 Odean Ave NE Licht answered all structures over 150 sq. ft are accessory buildings. Mr. Knutson questioned if he can go ahead with his existing CUP? Dan answered he can proceed with the conditions as approved. Mr. Knutson was curious to know why he was rejected with his request? Chair Swenson said it would be appropriate to ask the City Council about that. Mr. Knutson discussed the buildings he was asked to remove. Could he extend his time to complete that removal? Mr. Robertson answered, to change the CUP would be an amendment. Mr. Licht agreed and said he would need to come before the City Council to consider an amendment. CITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION/CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 16, 1999 - SPM -PAGE 2 - Richard Will - Asked if new regulations are passed would you still need an 9309 Nellmark Administrative Permit to go over the 100 sq. ft? Answer: No. On his lot he can build up to 2,000sq. ft. of detached buildings or smaller buildings. Gene Goenner told Mr. Will to keep in mind he would still need to obtain a building permit. Dale Beaudry Mr. Beaudry has 5 acres of land in the Rural Service Area. He 7675 MacIver wants a 1800 sq. ft pole building. Will that be allowed? Mr. Licht explained that he could build the size he wanted but would have to build a stick -built structure instead building instead of a pole building. Pole buildings are only allowed on lots of over five acres in size. Mr. Beaudry feels it should read " 5 acres or more". Chair Swenson noted that we have had a lot of discussion on this issue. Discussion went back to the P.C. Patrick Moonen - Questioned the change to eliminate 1,000 sq. ft. accessory building space on one acre lots. What was the consideration to limit the larger structures? Mr. Licht explained we looked at the size of items typically stored in a garage. The only change is to eleminate exceptions through the CUP process. One acre lots are allowed a total of 2,000 sq. ft. in accessory building space including one detached garage. Mike Robertson added that the Council was trying to deal with the fact that none of the CUP's were being turned down and people were spending $500 to $800 on the CUP application. Hearing was re -opened to the public. Keith Knutson Agreed with Dale Beaudry that the size required should be stated as "equal to or greater than 5 acres in size". A five acre lot is quite a bit to maintain. Mr. Will Agreed with Dale Beaudry. He also felt that on a one acre lot one-half acre is taken up with septic. If you stick another 1,000 sq. ft on it, it will be cramped. Dale Beaudry It is my understanding that if I had 5.1 acres I could build a big shed, but I am limited because I only have 5 acres. Chair Swenson noted that the problem is there has to be a line drawn somewhere. Other people around me have 5 acre lots with big pole buildings and I have petitions from my neighbors that agree CITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION/CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 16, 1999 - 8PM -PAGE 3 - with me building a pole building. He felt that some stick built buildings he sees are in worse shape than the pole buildings. Chair Swenson - Noted that in general we are talking about a residential area and pole buildings do not look good in a residential area. Mr. Beaudry noted that he lives on MacIver Ave. Dan Licht noted he is a residential use. HEARING WAS CLOSED BY CHAIR SWENSON Discussion brought back to the P.C. Gene Goenner - All the people who spoke want it to read 5 acres and greater. Do we want to revisit it? I will be honest. I voted for over 5 acres. Richard Nichols - We went round and round on this for weeks at a time. I understand Dale's concern. I am personally not in favor of a change. We have to look at what's best for the City. Dan Licht - 10 acres or greater was the original size and we lowered it to pick up the larger than 5 acre hobby farms. RICHARD NICHOLS MOTIONED TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE FOR ACCESSORY BUILDING STANDARDS AS WRITTEN. GENE GOENNER SECONDED THE MOTION. MOTION CARRIED WITH PAT MOONEN VOTING AGAINST. This item will be on the Council Agenda of February 22, 1999 at 6:30PM. 4. Any other P -C. Business Chair Swenson noted that another problem we have is the minimum lot size in the Rural Service Area. Dan Licht explained that the proposed one acre minimum lot size in the Rural Service Area may be a problem. Possibly 2-1/2 acres to 5 acres is appropriate. On the issue of lot sizes smaller than the proposed minimum lot size, we can grandfather the one acre minimum lots that are established now. Gene Goenner. The main concern is the sewer system. Why not have them show ample sewer sites (2 or 3 sites). 2-1/2 acres is a lot to maintain. Chair Swenson agreed with them on having multiple septic sites. Mr. Goenner asked if we will require clustered 4 per 40's? Mr. Licht - Yes clustered, unless 10 acre divisions. A-1 is the Ag. Preservation District. A-2 more rural 4 per 40, four 10 -acre lots or clustered lots. More discussion. Chair Swenson noted that they would need road frontage on existing roads. Mike Robertson asked if the 4 per 40 are administrative splits or do they take P.C./ CC action? More discussion of 4 per 40 being administrative or application. Gene Goenner noted that if we are not notified of a neighbors 4 per 40 splits, someone could put their house on a 12" drain tile. He wanted to see the notice go out to neighbors. Richard Nichols - That would be true regardless of acreage. Elaine - Noted CITY OF OTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION/CITY COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 16, 1999 - 8PM -PAGE 4 - that for 4 per 40 it would have to be rezoned from A-1 to A-2. Dan Licht will prepare a matrix regarding this issue. P.C. did not want this on for hearing. They want it on for an Agenda item to discuss lot size. Mike Robertson gave the P.C. the good news that we received our sewer discharge permit and the wastewater treatment plant bids came in $271,000 below the engineers estimate. The low bidder is a very reputable company. The bids will be brought to the Council on the 22nd of February. 5_ Adjourn by l OPM RICHARD NICHOLS MOTIONED TO ADJOURN THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING. PATRICK MOONEN SECONDED THE MOTION. MOTION CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY. MEETING ADJOURNED AT 8:55PM. CITY OF OTSEGO: ARLEEN NAGEL SECRLTARY MINUTES BY: ELAINE BEATTY, CITY CLERK/RECORDING SECRETARY EB FU -E: 99-PC'AN.WPS