10-06-03 PCOTSEGO PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
OCTOBER 6, 2003
8 P
OTSEGO CITY HALL
Chair Nichols will call the meeting to order.
Since Chair Nichols was absent, Vice Chair Schuck called the meeting to order at 8 PM.
Roll Call: Planning Commission Members: Pam Black, Ken Fry, Steve Schuck,
Carl Swenson, Jim Kolles and David Thompson.
Alternates: Doug Hackman and Tammie Fallon.
Excused absence: Richard Nichols.
Staff Mike Robertson, City Administrator; Judy Hudson, City Clerk/Zoning
Administrator and Dan Licht, City Planner.
Council: Mayor Larry Fournier; Vern Heidner, Virginia Wendel and Jerry Struthers
2. Consider the following minutes:
2.1. The September 2 2003 Planning Commission Meeting Minutes
Commissioner Black motioned to approve as written. Seconded by Commissioner
Thompson. All in favor. Motion carried.
3_. Planning Items:
3.1. Site and Buildinw Review for Nathe's 101 Market expansion
Dan Licht presented the Planner's Report.
The applicant, Ken Nathe stated he agrees with the staff report.
Vice Chair Schuck asked if there were any public comments and there were none.
Commissioner Kolles motioned to recommend to approve site and building plans for
a greenhouse expansion a the Highway 101 Market, subject to the 3 conditions listed
in the Planner's Report. Seconded by Commissioner Fry. All in favor. Motion
carried.
3.2. Public Hearing: Chris and Linda Bulow of Grenin's Mississippi Hills:
A. PUD/CUP Amendment
B. Variance from Sewage Disposal Ordinance 91-24.
C. Preliminary and Final Plat to develop 2 Single Family Lots
Dan Licht presented the Planner's Report. Mr. Licht explained the variance is not
required since the applicant changed septic plans.
Judy Hudson attested all proper noticing and publishing was done.
Chris Bulow, applicant, stated he agrees with the Staff's Report.
Vice Chair Schuck opened the Public Hearing for public comments at 8:14 PM.
John Stander, 9897 Kahler Avenue, feels since Grenins Mississippi Hills and Vintage
Golf was developed that their lot in Island View Estates has been undercut by water and
they are losing land. He is concerned if these two new lots will add to the drainage
problem.
Mike Robertson agreed there is erosion problem going on along the Mississippi River
bank and the City Engineer will be working on plans this winter followed by a Public
Hearing.
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Mrs. Isobel Stander, 9897 Kaiser Avenue stated when they moved here 6 years ago, it was
primarily agriculture. She feels a decision should be made now to be more ecological
responsible. Her land is eroding and her home is getting closer to the bluff. She wants
more holding ponds and no pipes going into the river.
Dan Licht explained the pipe going into the river was placed there prior to the golf course
being developed. Otsego has an ordinance addressing water runoff and water quality and
allows no more water runoff than previous to development.
Mr. Stander stated the water has increased dramatically since the golf course went in.
Chris Bulow said that prior to his development of the golf course there were no wetlands
And he has put in 11 acres of ponding on site.
Paul Medenwaldt, 10525 97`h Street NE. He lives next to golf course by a former little
strip of wetland. Last summer none of the water drained out of there and his trees are
dying now since the water going across his yard doesn't go on to the golf course.
Chris Bulow said he would look into this.
Commission Member Kolles asked if this is approved will it impact the water problem.
Mr. Licht said approval will be subject to City Engineer review but his preliminary
review states it won't have an impact.
Mike Robertson added that Island View has had a problem for many years and these two
lots won't add to their problem.
Hearing no other public comments Vice Chair Schuck closed the Public Hearing at 8:30
PM.
Commissioner Thompson motioned to recommend to approve the PUD -CUP and
Preliminary/Final Plat for Grenins Mississippi Hills 2°d Addition, subject to the five
conditions listed in the Planner's Report. Seconded by Commissioner Black. All in
favor. Motion carried.
3.3. Public Hearing: School District 728 for Otsego Elementary:
A. Zoning Ordinance Text Amendment to allow temporary
Classrooms as an Interim Use within an Institutional District
B. Interim Use Permit for temporary classrooms at Otsego Elementary
School.
Dan Licht presented the Planner's Report. Judy Hudson attested that all proper noticing
and publishing was done.
Ron Bratlie, representing IDS 728, the applicant, stated if the Bond Referendum passes
they will build an elementary school in Rogers which will help and they are also looking
for a site in Otsego to accommodate future growth.
Vice Chair Schuck opened the Public Hearing for comments at 8:39 PM.
Commissioner Black asked if the modular buildings are new. Mr. Bratlie replied they are
brand new.
Hearing no more public comments, Vice Chair Schuck closed the Public Hearing at 8:40
PM.
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Commissioner Fry motioned to recommend to approve a Zoning Ordinance text
amendment to allow temporary classrooms as an interim use in the Institutional
District. Seconded by Commissioner Swenson. All in favor. Motion carried.
Commissioner Fry motioned to recommend to approve the IUP allowing the
construction of a building for temporary classrooms in the Institutional District
based on a finding that the request is consistent with the requirements of the Zoning
Ordinance subject to the four conditions listed in the Planner's Report. Seconded
by Commissioner Black All in favor. Motion carried.
3.4. Public Hearing: LandCor Companies for Waterfront East:
A. Rezoning from Agricultural A-1 to PUD District
B. PUD General Development Plan
C. Preliminary Plat.
Dan Licht presented the Planner's Report and recommended to approve just a Concept
Plan. Judy Hudson attested all proper publishing and noticing was done.
Bob Fields, applicant, said they are in the process of sorting out significant components
and starting to focus on individual projects. He said he agrees with staff reports. Mr.
Fields explained how they will treat the water runoff using a infiltration system.
Audie Tarpley, LandCor, explained they are proposing 60 units of town homes and
condos. He went over the designs of the town homes and the movie theater. They don't
have specific users at this point.
Mike Robertson said he has talked to the MnDOT design engineer and told him that both
the developer and the City want a regular diamond interchange at 101 and CSAH 39,
which MnDOT also supports.
Alternate Commissioner Hackman asked how high is the berm between the town homes
and business area and he also commented on the traffic flow going back to the condos.
Mr. Tarpley said the berm varies in height but from the second floor of the town homes
they will not see the ground level activities but they will from the third floor. Regarding
the traffic flow, Mr. Tarpley said it needs more work so traffic that doesn't belong isn't
encouraged to go back to the condo area.
Vice Chair Schuck asked if the path along the river has a destination. Mr. Tarpley said
they will -be working with staff on this.
Commissioner Fry commented that when Landcor met with the Planning Commission
and Council on this previously there was discussion changing the parking lot visibility
from 101 and he doesn't see much change. Mr. Tarpley said that parking islands have
been added, and there is a 40 foot width area with trees on both sides which is dividing
the parking lot.
Vice Chair Schuck opened for public comments at 9:33 PM.
There were no public comments.
Commissioner Fry stated he doesn't support the town homes as being part of this concept.
Mr. Fields explained it is part of a lifestyle for this overall plan and they are high quality.
He stated they looked at putting a restaurant along the river but the restaurant wanted to
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be visible from Highway 101.
Councilmember Heidner said the City has almost run out of areas where town homes are
allowed to be built and the City wants a balance of all different types of housing.
Residential uses along the river would be looked upon more favorably by the DNR than
businesses.
Commissioner Swenson motioned to recommend to approve the PUD Concept Plan
for development of 270,000 square feet of commercial floor space and
approximately 60 residential dwellings entitled "Waterfront East" subject to the 24
conditions listed in the Planner's Report. Seconded by Commissioner Thompson.
Voting For the Motion: Vice Chair Schuck; Commissioner Members: Fry, Black,
Thompson, Swenson and Kolles.
Voting Against the Motion: Commissioner Fry.
Motion carried six (6) to one (1).
Commissioner Thompson motioned to continue the Public Hearing for rezoning to
PUD District, PUD General Development State Plan and preliminary plat for
Waterfront East to the November 3, 2003 Planning Commission Meeting. Seconded
by Commissioner Black All in favor. Motion carried.
4. Any other Planning Commission Business
A. Update on Council actions by CM Heidner.
CM Heidner updated the Planning Commission on recent council actions. He also asked
if the Planning Commission would consider changing the meeting time to 7 PM starting
in 2004. This consideration will be on the November 3, 2003 Planning Commission
Agenda.
5. Adjournment by 10 PM
Commissioner Fry motioned to adjourn. Seconded by Commissioner Swenson. All
in favor. Motion carried.
Meeting adjourned at 10:05 PM.
Richard Nichols, Chair
ATTEST:
Judy Hudson, Zoning Adm/City Clerk